EPT[Patch 3.15] Yasuo General Discussion - Page 125
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
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imre
France9263 Posts
On December 31 2013 04:28 arb wrote: hopefully this means RP reimbursement (usually does) good thing to be on NA... | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On December 31 2013 04:47 AsnSensation wrote: Wow so the EU representatives for BoTa really left the euw server problems in North Amercai! Clearly froggen is revenge ddosing NA for taking snoopeh/yolopete/krepo from him. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On December 31 2013 04:49 Slusher wrote: I thought we were doing him a favor Froggen is feeling insecure that tabzz and shook actually don't need to get carried and wants them back. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On December 31 2013 01:49 Alaric wrote: We know it's your pet peeve, but you're just putting words into people's mouths here. "Manaless" isn't a magical word that you can fit whatever you like into, it worsens a bunch of pre-existing problems (eg. a kit fit for spamming; make Morgana manaless and it won't change how clunky her combos can feel or how Q and W are underwhelming when not combo'd, for example) but if you look at Lee Sin, Zed, Zac, Rengar and Riven, despite all being manaless the issues tied to them are vastly different from just "being manaless". You just fling the word around like people do "toxic" to give pseudo-weight to their arguments. Scaling off AD isn't necessarily a problem by itself either: Pantheon, Renekton, Urgot all rely primarily on abilities casts and scale off AD, and they aren't really a problem either (Renekton is overtuned, but it isn't tied to his ratios). Look, people hate playing against Nidalee, and it wasn't for the cougar form. They hated playing against Jayce or Kha'Zix (I see you coming with a "Tear made them manaless for all intents and purposs", yeah, no, because it still does for the purpose of resources but people don't build it anymore). They hate playing against Fizz. They'll soon hate playing against Ziggs. They hated playing against Thresh even after a few nerfs. Hell, you're one of the first to have yelled about Olaf and toxicity and bad design here, way worse than any other, and it wasn't about Reckless Swing's lack of mana cost either. Olaf made me mad because the rework addressed nothing. Its like that old boss song by The Who. And you don't understand why these champs are bad design. You pointed to pantheon as "not a problem", but he is a problem, He is non optimal for all situations, and has been for eons. Moreover, bad design in lol happens a lot with manaless champs because of riots Power curve homogenization. I mean, if the first 10 don't work, why make number 11? | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
On December 31 2013 04:11 Osmoses wrote: Yasuo has the same problem against the current tanky toplane meta as everyone else, I have a fairly easy time against him as gp and trundle. In midlane syndra ziggs and ori are all good oocks, just dodge the obvious third q and auto his shield. I'm obviously simplifying, there are good and bad yasuos, but I've yet to meet one that posed a legitimate threat. Dodging third Q is a lot harder if the Yasuo is good. He never has to shoot the skillshot, just dash to a minion near you and use his aoe tornado. Toplane Yasuo obviously has a lot of issues though. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On December 31 2013 00:53 AsnSensation wrote: 50k viewers and Na servers down LMAO haha Crazy how fast and many 100+$ donations are flying in for new streamers hitting big numbers I watched some of his vods and I can tell he is trying very hard to make it entertaining and informative for the viewers (and it is). He also feels very good mannered. I think he totally deserves the viewers. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On December 31 2013 05:17 cLutZ wrote: It does if riot refuses to make them weak enough to get dumpstered, even if ahead, lategame. Who is garen? Who is lee sin? (And yes, lee sin does fall down in late game). Who is kennen? Who is akali? Who is shen? There are plenty of manaless champs that blow. | ||
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Klonere
Ireland4123 Posts
On December 31 2013 06:26 Sufficiency wrote: I watched some of his vods and I can tell he is trying very hard to make it entertaining and informative for the viewers (and it is). He also feels very good mannered. I think he totally deserves the viewers. i was trying to see if i could find him playing lee sin, he seems very nice and is trying very hard to be as informative and positive as possible he's been let down by twitch vods on my end though, those things need supercomputers to work properly T_T | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On December 31 2013 06:28 wei2coolman wrote: Who is garen? Who is lee sin? (And yes, lee sin does fall down in late game). Who is kennen? Who is akali? Who is shen? There are plenty of manaless champs that blow. dont think garen is a bad champion at all truthfully, can build pure tank on him and still be obnoxious as fuck | ||
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
Yasuo is in the line of recently well designed melee champions, who can get both, in and out of combat if planned and executed correctly, which makes them more dynamic and less situational picks. What they tried with him is removing the burst and adding some sustained damage and utility which makes him more like a classic carry and less like an assassin, which is interesting but I highly doubt that he is consistently harder to deal with than Zed/Kha. Mana problems and manaless is not a matter of bad/unfixable design at all I think but merely a matter of finetuning manacosts. If anything is a problem then health sustain in general, which sometimes comes with manaless and then gets really frustrating. But the sustain/regen problem is so inherent that I don't expect riot to come up with a really good solution. They can only fight the symptoms of a combat system that was designed for WC3 and not for a MOBA. When they tried to evolve from DotA they adressed alot of problems which DotA but they removed things like bottle and courier which cover up the sustain problem a bit so we end up with an even bigger sustain problem than we had before and I expect people getting frustrated and riot making patches in a never ending cycle. | ||
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Paljas
Germany6926 Posts
On December 31 2013 06:33 arb wrote: dont think garen is a bad champion at all truthfully, can build pure tank on him and still be obnoxious as fuck none of the champions he listed is bad. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On December 31 2013 06:28 wei2coolman wrote: Who is garen? Who is lee sin? (And yes, lee sin does fall down in late game). Who is kennen? Who is akali? Who is shen? There are plenty of manaless champs that blow. Bad is not balanced. I don't even know what you are talking about. I mean, are you talking about the Shen who was 100% pick/ban like 1 patch ago and is barely touched anymore (which is frightening considering every single pro toplaner knows Shen)? Edit: Not 1 patch, but he went from 100% to basically 0 in 1 patch. | ||
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
On December 31 2013 06:39 cLutZ wrote: Bad is not balanced. I don't even know what you are talking about. I mean, are you talking about the Shen who was 100% pick/ban like 1 patch ago and is barely touched anymore (which is frightening considering every single pro toplaner knows Shen)? Edit: Not 1 patch, but he went from 100% to basically 0 in 1 patch. which has nothing to do with manaless at all. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
I guess the auto attack only damage reduction a couple patches ago could be affecting this patches later. | ||
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