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LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
December 30 2013 15:54 GMT
#2461
i wouldnt mind deleting yasuo.

in lane he jumps around like a lee sin with ADD without actually needing to hit skillshots, plus Q poke and stupid shield and in fights he does damage like a ulted yi, so you have to focus him, but then he casts his wall and laughs at how you just wasted your spells.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
December 30 2013 16:09 GMT
#2462
If you guys had your way, there would only be like 20 champions left in league.
liftlift > tsm
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
December 30 2013 16:31 GMT
#2463
Almost no one has a real problem with any of the ADCs (except some whackos who hate Vayne), or any traditional AP Carries (some people hate Karthus), or any supports without hooks.

Its only Manaless champions and AD Scaling Spellcasters that really are a problem...
Freeeeeeedom
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-30 16:50:09
December 30 2013 16:49 GMT
#2464
We know it's your pet peeve, but you're just putting words into people's mouths here. "Manaless" isn't a magical word that you can fit whatever you like into, it worsens a bunch of pre-existing problems (eg. a kit fit for spamming; make Morgana manaless and it won't change how clunky her combos can feel or how Q and W are underwhelming when not combo'd, for example) but if you look at Lee Sin, Zed, Zac, Rengar and Riven, despite all being manaless the issues tied to them are vastly different from just "being manaless".

You just fling the word around like people do "toxic" to give pseudo-weight to their arguments.
Scaling off AD isn't necessarily a problem by itself either: Pantheon, Renekton, Urgot all rely primarily on abilities casts and scale off AD, and they aren't really a problem either (Renekton is overtuned, but it isn't tied to his ratios).

Look, people hate playing against Nidalee, and it wasn't for the cougar form. They hated playing against Jayce or Kha'Zix (I see you coming with a "Tear made them manaless for all intents and purposs", yeah, no, because it still does for the purpose of resources but people don't build it anymore). They hate playing against Fizz. They'll soon hate playing against Ziggs. They hated playing against Thresh even after a few nerfs.

Hell, you're one of the first to have yelled about Olaf and toxicity and bad design here, way worse than any other, and it wasn't about Reckless Swing's lack of mana cost either.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
December 30 2013 17:12 GMT
#2465
--- Nuked ---
Schwopzi
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands954 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-30 18:49:47
December 30 2013 17:28 GMT
#2466
http://forums.euw.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1540571

ohai haven't seen that one in a while

EU-West strikes again

-edit-
got fixed within a few(?) minutes. WTF riot europe, count me pleasantly surprised
Only the dead have seen the end of war
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
December 30 2013 18:47 GMT
#2467
Energy champs are fine (or can be), most of them will be heavily energy-gated if they don't use their energy regen ability correctly. They trade away some late game power for immense laning power.

But can someone enlighten me on some kind of counterplay or even interactivity re: Yasuo? I feel like it doesn't even matter what I do. Can't win a fight when his shield is up, can't pop his shield without fighting (as a full melee). His Q is so fast and short ranged that it isn't a matter of dodging, just him aiming. Nothing I can really do to stop him dashing around the minion wave and regenerating his shield immediately after I break it. If he wants he can use his Q knock-up from melee range, making it undodgeable, and it's basically impossible to win after he gets off an ultimate.
I am the Town Medic.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
December 30 2013 18:58 GMT
#2468
Pick something like riven/renek/darius or w/e and kill him.Really hard to deal with him if he good if you pick first syndra or something like that doe.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
December 30 2013 19:00 GMT
#2469
on the subject of energy champs, i think that the concept is fine but the execution is pretty much lacking. for example i like how shen has real choices with his energy. you can taunt or do damage, although i wish w wasnt so underwhelming late game the champ is well designed from this point of view.

but on the flipside i really dislike akali's energy/kit set up. there is always a singular correct move. you have enough energy to e exactly once during your big combo, and you should always do it but never twice. its like, ok great i memorized the button mash combo.

Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
December 30 2013 19:03 GMT
#2470
I think Kha wrecks yasuo in lane as well. You mostly tie lvl1, although if he does goofed you can allin him lvl1 or 2 and kill ihm. After lvl6 after your Q gets evolved he gets utterly wrecked though I think.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
December 30 2013 19:07 GMT
#2471
north america not working for anyone elsE?
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-30 19:12:20
December 30 2013 19:11 GMT
#2472
On December 31 2013 01:49 Alaric wrote:
Renekton is overtuned, but it isn't tied to his ratios.
.

if riots nerfs him even slightly that for example jax can break even in lane i dont see renekton coming back ever
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
December 30 2013 19:11 GMT
#2473
Yasuo has the same problem against the current tanky toplane meta as everyone else, I have a fairly easy time against him as gp and trundle. In midlane syndra ziggs and ori are all good oocks, just dodge the obvious third q and auto his shield.

I'm obviously simplifying, there are good and bad yasuos, but I've yet to meet one that posed a legitimate threat.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
December 30 2013 19:12 GMT
#2474
On December 31 2013 04:07 arb wrote:
north america not working for anyone elsE?

RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
InfSunday
Profile Joined March 2013
United States735 Posts
December 30 2013 19:14 GMT
#2475
I'm logged in to NA but not playing because I'm worried the lag will be unbearable. My friends can't log in. Certainly Rito is having problems.
Call me Sunday
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
December 30 2013 19:16 GMT
#2476
I hope this solves the random ping spike lately
Carrilord has arrived.
Leeto
Profile Joined August 2007
United States1320 Posts
December 30 2013 19:18 GMT
#2477
On December 31 2013 04:12 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2013 04:07 arb wrote:
north america not working for anyone elsE?

https://twitter.com/lolstatus/status/417723215104864256


I can't log in either, says "Did not receive a response from the server; retrying." and attempts a few times and fails.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-30 19:21:51
December 30 2013 19:21 GMT
#2478
While na is having issues eu is working.Is the world coming to an end?
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
December 30 2013 19:25 GMT
#2479
NA has been "lag spiky" for me since pretty much the day after christmas, I attributed it to so many people having time off from school/work but it would be nice if this fix gets rid of it.
Carrilord has arrived.
Complete
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1864 Posts
December 30 2013 19:27 GMT
#2480
first time i try to play in a month and server is down

/sad
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