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On December 06 2013 09:01 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
no-compete clauses are 100% standard when a person or entity is paying you to work with or advertise for them. it blows my fucking mind that anyone has a problem with this. All you people waving torches a crying about "Riot's greed" need a reality check. Riot pays a salary to these players in the LCS, a no-compete clause when those players are streaming is completely sensible, and is not shady, underhanded, or greedy in any way.
The LoL world finals SOLD OUT STAPLES CENTER. Riot deserves a hell of a lot of praise for creating actual, real, tangible progress for esports. So please, if you've never seen a contract before, or never worked on contract basis, or have never dealt with sponsorships, keep your opinion to yourself. Making half-witted analogies to processes you don't actually understand doesn't help anyone.
I think you're overstating the contribution that Riot's E-sports management side has made toward the competitive success of League of Legends.
Realistically the predominant source of League's competitive success has been the popularity of the game itself. I don't think Riot's E-sports management through the LCS system has made the scene that much better or worse off than it would have been through other tournament organizers, given the rate of growth at the end of Season 2 anyway.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
So they don't get credit for creating the game huh? Also, the creation of the LCS system sets an important precedent for future games that are viable as esports. Whether you think it's the best format or not, it's the first system where the producer of the game itself is paying player salaries to further the development of its competitive scene. This is a monumental change of pace, and that's where I'm saying they deserve credit. You people are far too jaded and suspicious.
Riot has made some incredibly bold decisions with how they approached their budding competitive fanbase, and those decisions have shown some incredible results thus far - namely, a proper payment system for LCS-qualified teams, and the attempt to create a single professional venue for fans and players to get behind. Not only that, but they've established that video game producers can have the clout to put on events at major NA sports arenas, and the fanbase to fill them. That's a huge step forward.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
But if you all want to ignore the big picture and bicker about inconsequential bullshit all day, feel free to make a hundred more threads like this when, inevitably, another thing you don't understand gets sensationalized.
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Steve if you didn't expect me to be jaded and suspicious about everything you don't know me very well. 
Just ask Neo.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
I do, but I also expect you to look at the entire picture before criticizing a particular stroke of the brush.
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The "particular stroke" has virtually zero impact on anything.
I could have a longer discussion about what I think is bad about the LCS system at large and how I dislike the direction it's going in the long run, but that's not for this thread.
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i could also argue that the reason riot is paying salaries is because they want total control over their scene.
which they do. and have.
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without riots sponsored LCs, almost all of the LCS players would still fght over 2000$ shared prizemoney in the monthly Crunchies Chips Are Crunchy 128 teams tournament.
Throw in an IEM and whatever survived from the american tournaments here and there.
And dont forget that the european organization that now hosts the EU LCS was out of money and couldnt even pay the prizemoneys from last tournaments until they got money from riot.
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yeah you're right without a company paying upfront for the prizes and taking over the competetive scene entirely, esports with any money in them are impossible
Isn't that right dota2.
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DotA 2 isn't a good comparison right now. It's effectively where LoL was in early-mid S2, and it took 3 times as long to get there.
At the current rate, it'll be 5 years from now before we know whether DotA 2 can "naturally" reach where Riot got the LoL competitive scene through direct involvement.
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This is a bit of a scumbag move from Riot.
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
This contract has made me very interested in the game called "Fat Princess"
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On December 06 2013 11:35 Scip wrote:
This contract has made me very interested in the game called "Fat Princess"
I'm pretty sure that the very inclusion of Fat Princess on that contract has given the game more publicity than any streamer would have.
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On December 06 2013 11:19 NotYango wrote:
DotA 2 isn't a good comparison right now. It's effectively where LoL was in early-mid S2, and it took 3 times as long to get there.
At the current rate, it'll be 5 years from now before we know whether DotA 2 can "naturally" reach where Riot got the LoL competitive scene through direct involvement.
But if they can, won't it be way better for the players who aren't completely vassals of the company who made the game, and most ESPORTS companies that run tournaments?
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On December 06 2013 11:36 Seiuchi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2013 11:19 NotYango wrote:
DotA 2 isn't a good comparison right now. It's effectively where LoL was in early-mid S2, and it took 3 times as long to get there.
At the current rate, it'll be 5 years from now before we know whether DotA 2 can "naturally" reach where Riot got the LoL competitive scene through direct involvement. But if they can, won't it be way better for the players who aren't completely vassals of the company who made the game, and most ESPORTS companies that run tournaments?
That also depends on where Riot is in 5 years.
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Korea (South)11232 Posts
The question is if you don't want to receive a riot salary but still want to participate in the LCS are you still not allowed to stream other games than LoL?
This would be way more controversial
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well you can't participate without being salaried.
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It's an option that practically speaking nobody would ever take (I'm pretty sure Oddone's Warcraft 3 games are not worth $12,000 to him) but would be much better PR for Riot if they presented that option.
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Korea (South)11232 Posts
On December 06 2013 11:43 NotYango wrote:
It's an option that practically speaking nobody would ever take (I'm pretty sure Oddone's Warcraft 3 games are not worth $12,000 to him) but would be much better PR for Riot if they presented that option.
Its a trade off if a player would value his HS stream time more than 12k he could do it. But if not than that would be a dick move.
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On December 06 2013 11:36 NotYango wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2013 11:35 Scip wrote:
This contract has made me very interested in the game called "Fat Princess" I'm pretty sure that the very inclusion of Fat Princess on that contract has given the game more publicity than any streamer would have.
fat princess is a great game. i have no idea why its even listed though.
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