EPTanivia is a pretty faceroll hero lol her "high skill required" is a myth that has always baffled me
its very easy to play anivia well; sure its hard to play anivia at 100% max efficiency but lets be real you dont need that to faceroll ppl
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
anivia is a pretty faceroll hero lol her "high skill required" is a myth that has always baffled me its very easy to play anivia well; sure its hard to play anivia at 100% max efficiency but lets be real you dont need that to faceroll ppl | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
On November 30 2013 11:52 Zdrastochye wrote: Your whining even makes Veigar look god-tier. He can do those things. Psh 1.5 AP combo? Veigar throws out 1.6 AP combos. | ||
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Arisen
United States2382 Posts
On November 30 2013 04:50 Dusty wrote: There is no defeating the donger, accept defeat. + Show Spoiler + but seriously he destroys everything 1v1. need jungler to not be bad and gank him When is the ideal time for a gank? Let's use lee sin as an example becuaase that's who I'm playing a lot of atm (assuming 21/9/0; I start Dorans Shield+pot). Depending on where he places it, I can sometimes get his first turret down with a Q+autos without missing CS. But by the second time he sets down a turret, unless he places it way off the minion wave, it's pretty safe. If I want to get it down I have to take the the little mini skillshot it does, plus autos from heimer, plus maybe his rockets and turret damage. Early game where minions still hurt, that's a lot of damage to eat, so I just let him get them up at that point. Once he gets one set up it really becomes hard to shut them down, because you're gonna eat 2 turrets damage trying to shut down one. Usually for me he's gonna get all 3 up early game without much problem. I don't know when/if I can ever go in after that point to start clearing turrets because you're eating all 3 towers damage, plus what heimer is throwing at you, plus minions. That's probably a good chunk of your health. Then, when your jungler is coming to gank for you, what can you do? I don't play with the best junglers, but usually what ends up happening is I have to W to a minion to try to get close and land the Double E. At this point I've taken a good chunk o damage, and my jungler is trying to engage. The heimer usually can just walk back to his turret unless my jungler has a stun ready that he can land. The few times I've had the jungler engage went pretty horribly, they just walked into turrets and take a load of damage for free while heimer just strolls back. How do you set up a gank that can be effective, and preferably, what can you do to not rely on your jungler to help you out? I usually play mid precisely because I don't trust anyone to help out, so I just go try to win other lanes myself. Like I said, I can usually out farm dongers, but eventually they're gonna take my turret and I feel like I'm just stuck at my tower all game and if my team doesn't do well, I'm just a lee sin with slightly more gold than a heimerdinger and can't really carry my team. Also, to whoever suggested I just out roam him, how exactly do I go about that? He's usually pushed up to the turret, so do you advocate just letting him have the turret and you try to roam when everyone knows you're roaming because you left mid turret? | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
However she has some of the safest waveclearing in the game and it is very difficult to answer her RE combos. QER is probably unanswerable except with an all-in, which is very difficult against Anivia. | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On November 30 2013 12:00 Alaric wrote: No skill involved in spamming RQ at the wave to pretend you're playing a solo game. When I queue up for a non-coop game I tend to assume I'm going to interact with other players. As for the inane "lol u whining u think viegar op 2amirite?" the slightly-over-800 range slow field tends to make her hard to approach in non-all-in situations, yeah. When her r is on the wave it's your chance to engage since it has cd to turn on and off (and requires not being cc'd). Sure she farms well when she has blue and has good zone control. But that is not much different than other mids who can control zones with their bodies and who lose that zone control when they drop their abilities to clear a wave. I mean Veigar, who I think is probably legitimately OP/Toxic, does the same thing. He can clear a wave with his w and still has an 800 range ult level stun field to prevent you from coming in on him. (And then to back it up he has some of the highest base damage and scaling combo in the game which is impossible to avoid once you're stunned). But Veigar isn't typically seen as an issue. Plus he gets a free laugh whenever he gets a kill and that is definitely OP. | ||
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
On November 30 2013 13:44 Alzadar wrote: Psh 1.5 AP combo? Veigar throws out 1.6 AP combos. Psh, 1.6AP combo? Why not just throw out the R that uses 1.2 AP AND .8 their AP? Did ARAM and I think I one shot the enemy nidalee with the ult. | ||
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SagaZ
France3460 Posts
what a douche lmao | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
On November 30 2013 13:50 Goumindong wrote: When her r is on the wave it's your chance to engage since it has cd to turn on and off (and requires not being cc'd). Sure she farms well when she has blue and has good zone control. But that is not much different than other mids who can control zones with their bodies and who lose that zone control when they drop their abilities to clear a wave. I mean Veigar, who I think is probably legitimately OP/Toxic, does the same thing. He can clear a wave with his w and still has an 800 range ult level stun field to prevent you from coming in on him. (And then to back it up he has some of the highest base damage and scaling combo in the game which is impossible to avoid once you're stunned). But Veigar isn't typically seen as an issue. man you're retarded On November 30 2013 13:49 Alzadar wrote: I think there's some merit to Anivia being high skill cap. Her gameplay is centered around a slow-moving (albeit large) skillshot, and she has a skill that has no direct effect: a 100% utility skill that can be very powerful, but also useless or even harmful. She's also really slow with no escapes. you press e and you press r, no slow moving projectile involved lol q is like ez hits in team fights if you dont try to initiate a fight out of the blue with it froggen hits all his qs (along with every other non shit pro player who plays anivia) by just waiting for easy hits in teamfights | ||
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ghrur
United States3786 Posts
Also, after playing Vayne/ADCs for a while, I completely forgot how to last hit on annie... Q_Q | ||
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
On November 30 2013 13:51 SagaZ wrote: the funniest thing that I saw done vs heimer was the jungler killing his first buff smiteless then going straight to mid lane to smite 1 turret and kill the other. what a douche lmao totes worth. | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
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SagaZ
France3460 Posts
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JazzVortical
Australia1825 Posts
On November 30 2013 13:55 Goumindong wrote: But for real how can you complain about Anivia's wave clear and at the same time say you like Viktor who does the same type of thing that Anivia does but also has a near fiddlesticks level ult Let's not get ridiculous. Anivia is just a polarising champion. | ||
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ketchup
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
It's such a harsh lane for her. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On November 30 2013 08:35 GolemMadness wrote: Doubt that, I'd rather have something that's gonna be good regardless of what my opponent and teammates are playing, rather than something that can be played in multiple lanes but is awful with certain opponents or teammates. You're not gonna have a good time playing Quinn top when your team is full of squishies or when you're up against high mobility opponents.Yeah, but if you want to literally only play 3 champions, then Quinn is probably one of the best options. Top: Renekton, hands down. He's always going to be a reasonable pick. Mid/Support: Annie is really solid as a support and is reasonable as a mid? Or you could do Fiddlesticks as support-or-jungle? ADC: whatever you want to specialize in, but Cait is stable in almost all teamcomps and matchups afaik. And gonna completely agree with the above on anivia. The skill is in learning not to throw out Qs randomly. Just use E/R until you have a super easy Q. "Landing Q" isn't about being "great at aiming" and is entirely about your opponent being too busy (or too CC'd) to be able to dodge it. If they are at full movement speed and aren't preoccupied, they are GOING to dodge it. That said, her low mobility and vulnerability to assassination (especially when the assassin has ranged silence like Kass or Talon to stop the glacial storm+ stop you from stunning them) is really the easiest way to abuse her. | ||
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dae
Canada1600 Posts
Her problem right now is champions like Syndra that can 100-0 out of range of her e, and without ever stopping moving to cast (riot why was that even implemented). Any long range mage generally does well against anivia. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On November 30 2013 14:04 SagaZ wrote: I like Udyr, I feel like I have the moral hightground over 80% of the comunity Not if you played him back at end of season 1. That shit was toxic as fuck. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On November 30 2013 14:05 JazzVortical wrote: Let's not get ridiculous. Anivia is just a polarising champion. How? Like, honestly, people who are complaining about her are just straight up wrong. She has a terrible Lvl 1-5 due to her AA animation, high mana costs, and the difficulty of getting a good E (chilled) proc. Around 50% of popular mids counter her right now, and even if she manages lvl 6 unmolested, she is blue reliant (on a blue buff that is like 2/3 as powerful as when she was actually a good champion). If you hate playing Anivia (and why even complain, she is almost never picked anyways), you just have not adapted to any of the S3 trends that basically everyone figured out. Its like you are picking Ryze still, or something. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On November 30 2013 14:14 sylverfyre wrote: Doubt that, I'd rather have something that's gonna be good regardless of what my opponent and teammates are playing, rather than something that can be played in multiple lanes but is awful with certain opponents or teammates. You're not gonna have a good time playing Quinn top when your team is full of squishies or when you're up against high mobility opponents. Top: Renekton, hands down. He's always going to be a reasonable pick. Mid/Support: Annie is really solid as a support and is reasonable as a mid? Or you could do Fiddlesticks as support-or-jungle? ADC: whatever you want to specialize in, but Cait is stable in almost all teamcomps and matchups afaik. And gonna completely agree with the above on anivia. The skill is in learning not to throw out Qs randomly. Just use E/R until you have a super easy Q. "Landing Q" isn't about being "great at aiming" and is entirely about your opponent being too busy (or too CC'd) to be able to dodge it. If they are at full movement speed and aren't preoccupied, they are GOING to dodge it. That said, her low mobility and vulnerability to assassination (especially when the assassin has ranged silence like Kass or Talon to stop the glacial storm+ stop you from stunning them) is really the easiest way to abuse her. You can literally only play three champions, so two of the ones you pick can only play one role and are amongst the most popular in the game so they'll often be picked away from you...? | ||
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