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On November 30 2013 14:59 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2013 14:14 sylverfyre wrote:On November 30 2013 08:35 GolemMadness wrote:On November 29 2013 21:46 clickrush wrote:On November 29 2013 20:08 GolemMadness wrote:On November 29 2013 17:08 GozoShioda wrote:
i'm trying to pick 3 champs to only play in ranked during season 4
what would be the best way to pick them? based on role? based on AP or AD? based on looks/fun?
when I say 3 champs i literally mean only 3 no matter how many nerfs or buffs they take. I want to stay committed to them; Anyone got any ideas? Someone like Quinn would probably be a good idea since you'll need an ADC and she can top lane as well. I guess in general you'll want to pick uncommonly played champions so that there's a low chance of them being banned or picked away from you. when I wanted to narrow down my pool i wouldn't go for weird offensive niche champs but for flexible ones. You should be able to pick them often and they should be very solid and teamoriented: tanks/bruisers who can jungle and top: nasus, cho etc. supports who can lane with anyone decently: lulu, sona, janna etc. other champs who can swap position: zyra, morgana (mid/supp), swain, ryze (mid/top) etc. Also I would only pick champs who work in virtually any matchup and teamsetup and don't depend on my teammates or opponents picks. For example a champ without CC (yi) or a champ who gets easily counterpicked (kass) or a champ who needs a not so usual play style or position would all be no-go. basicly it all comes down to this question: Would you like those champions picked by your random teammates? Yeah, but if you want to literally only play 3 champions, then Quinn is probably one of the best options. Doubt that, I'd rather have something that's gonna be good regardless of what my opponent and teammates are playing, rather than something that can be played in multiple lanes but is awful with certain opponents or teammates. You're not gonna have a good time playing Quinn top when your team is full of squishies or when you're up against high mobility opponents. Top: Renekton, hands down. He's always going to be a reasonable pick. Mid/Support: Annie is really solid as a support and is reasonable as a mid? Or you could do Fiddlesticks as support-or-jungle? ADC: whatever you want to specialize in, but Cait is stable in almost all teamcomps and matchups afaik. And gonna completely agree with the above on anivia. The skill is in learning not to throw out Qs randomly. Just use E/R until you have a super easy Q. "Landing Q" isn't about being "great at aiming" and is entirely about your opponent being too busy (or too CC'd) to be able to dodge it. If they are at full movement speed and aren't preoccupied, they are GOING to dodge it. That said, her low mobility and vulnerability to assassination (especially when the assassin has ranged silence like Kass or Talon to stop the glacial storm+ stop you from stunning them) is really the easiest way to abuse her. You can literally only play three champions, so two of the ones you pick can only play one role and are amongst the most popular in the game so they'll often be picked away from you...?
Really 3 champs is too narrow of a pool for anyone. I consistently ran a pool of about 5 in ranked last season - Renekton, Irelia, Nami, Lulu, Twitch. I would rather have champs in my pool that are going to be good in all matchups than champs in my pool who can narrowly fill multiple lanes but have a lot of bad matchups.
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why people hating on muh birdlady
also I don't think landing Q is that hard early on when everyone is really slow, and I don't think Anivia's autoattack animation is nearly as bad as people say, just that people spoiled by this game... I can't say anything bad about her animation after playing Zeus in dota.
Aside from all that, the pre-season anti-snowball changes (mainly the inhibitor down only affecting that particular lane IMO) make Anivia way stronger than she was before. And with trinkets staying safe with her early game is a hell of a lot easier.
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Right now Taric is pickable in 3 lanes (top / jung / support), but he will probably get hit with the nerf stick soon. Lee Sin is also capable of playing basically anywhere. As far as flexible ADCs go, Ezreal or vayne are generally considered the most viable solo laners.
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On November 30 2013 15:26 ShoreT wrote:
Right now Taric is pickable in 3 lanes (top / jung / support), but he will probably get hit with the nerf stick soon. Lee Sin is also capable of playing basically anywhere. As far as flexible ADCs go, Ezreal or vayne are generally considered the most viable solo laners.
I haven't seen Taric top, but he could probably go there. I did this a few times in S3. I don't recommend Taric jungle. When I jungled Taric in S3, I noticed his ganks just aren't the greatest. He needs to walk up to people.
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Kayle can be played jungle/mid/support/top, I wouldn't advocate playing her as an adc but I guess you could do it. The problem is you want 35% CDR ASAP so you can keep E up 100% of the time. Her matchups top are fucking amazing too, she does VERY well versus most champions top. Her jungle is quite great too, can gank pre-6, can towerdive gank post-6, and clears reasonably fast. Takes a lot of damage though, and is counterjunglable.
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On November 30 2013 15:21 Dusty wrote:
why people hating on muh birdlady
also I don't think landing Q is that hard early on when everyone is really slow, and I don't think Anivia's autoattack animation is nearly as bad as people say, just that people spoiled by this game... I can't say anything bad about her animation after playing Zeus in dota.
Aside from all that, the pre-season anti-snowball changes (mainly the inhibitor down only affecting that particular lane IMO) make Anivia way stronger than she was before. And with trinkets staying safe with her early game is a hell of a lot easier.
Anivia's animation is actually fine. It's just her projectile speed that's terrible.
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On November 30 2013 15:32 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2013 15:21 Dusty wrote:
why people hating on muh birdlady
also I don't think landing Q is that hard early on when everyone is really slow, and I don't think Anivia's autoattack animation is nearly as bad as people say, just that people spoiled by this game... I can't say anything bad about her animation after playing Zeus in dota.
Aside from all that, the pre-season anti-snowball changes (mainly the inhibitor down only affecting that particular lane IMO) make Anivia way stronger than she was before. And with trinkets staying safe with her early game is a hell of a lot easier. Anivia's animation is actually fine. It's just her projectile speed that's terrible.
My favorite animation/speed for any champion has always been MF. It's so clean I tear up a little every time someone plays her. I'd trade every e-boob in existence for that perfectly sculpted bullet leaving MF's pistol. I'm crying right now.
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Jesus Poppy wtf is with that champion? That late game is ridiculous.
I won the lane, took both towers and went 3-1 but she just kept slowly getting cs. 30 minutes rolls around and we CANT kill her. She had stupid amounts of armor so me (riven) and cait (who seemed bad anyway) did no damage to her. Our anivia just kinda flopped over and died. At one point we had 3 people chase her and hit her from our red buff to their side of river and she got away (and our team, now 4 there, lost the team fight). To finish out the game, I pushed my lane and Poppy pushed mid solo and basically did 1v4 (1v2 at first, then killed one and another person came so still 1v2, repeat for a quadra kill).
Probably not the champion itself, but damn so tanky.
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Hey guys can someone link or tell me what the standard mastery pages are right now in 3.14? I want ones for ad carry, zed, ap mid and bruiser. thanks
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On November 30 2013 16:05 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Jesus Poppy wtf is with that champion? That late game is ridiculous.
I won the lane, took both towers and went 3-1 but she just kept slowly getting cs. 30 minutes rolls around and we CANT kill her. She had stupid amounts of armor so me (riven) and cait (who seemed bad anyway) did no damage to her. Our anivia just kinda flopped over and died. At one point we had 3 people chase her and hit her from our red buff to their side of river and she got away (and our team, now 4 there, lost the team fight). To finish out the game, I pushed my lane and Poppy pushed mid solo and basically did 1v4 (1v2 at first, then killed one and another person came so still 1v2, repeat for a quadra kill).
Probably not the champion itself, but damn so tanky.
Play someone with True Damage
Ignore her Passive
???
Profit
Olaf utterly destroys Poppy imo, play him.
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On November 30 2013 16:08 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2013 16:05 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Jesus Poppy wtf is with that champion? That late game is ridiculous.
I won the lane, took both towers and went 3-1 but she just kept slowly getting cs. 30 minutes rolls around and we CANT kill her. She had stupid amounts of armor so me (riven) and cait (who seemed bad anyway) did no damage to her. Our anivia just kinda flopped over and died. At one point we had 3 people chase her and hit her from our red buff to their side of river and she got away (and our team, now 4 there, lost the team fight). To finish out the game, I pushed my lane and Poppy pushed mid solo and basically did 1v4 (1v2 at first, then killed one and another person came so still 1v2, repeat for a quadra kill).
Probably not the champion itself, but damn so tanky. Play someone with True Damage Ignore her Passive ??? Profit Olaf utterly destroys Poppy imo, play him.
I think a Poppy vs Olaf all for one game would go in favor of the Poppies.
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On November 30 2013 16:05 IMoperator wrote:
Hey guys can someone link or tell me what the standard mastery pages are right now in 3.14? I want ones for ad carry, zed, ap mid and bruiser. thanks
Easiest method is to look them up on the pvp client by searching a pro's account, or just use lolking. Most of them label things normallyish.
As an example, http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/200553#profile
He seems to be currently playing Zed, using rune page conveniently labeled zed, and using mastery page 2
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On November 30 2013 16:10 Zdrastochye wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2013 16:08 Lord Tolkien wrote:On November 30 2013 16:05 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Jesus Poppy wtf is with that champion? That late game is ridiculous.
I won the lane, took both towers and went 3-1 but she just kept slowly getting cs. 30 minutes rolls around and we CANT kill her. She had stupid amounts of armor so me (riven) and cait (who seemed bad anyway) did no damage to her. Our anivia just kinda flopped over and died. At one point we had 3 people chase her and hit her from our red buff to their side of river and she got away (and our team, now 4 there, lost the team fight). To finish out the game, I pushed my lane and Poppy pushed mid solo and basically did 1v4 (1v2 at first, then killed one and another person came so still 1v2, repeat for a quadra kill).
Probably not the champion itself, but damn so tanky. Play someone with True Damage Ignore her Passive ??? Profit Olaf utterly destroys Poppy imo, play him. I think a Poppy vs Olaf all for one game would go in favor of the Poppies.
I think Poppy vs Olaf Lane would go to poopie.
Poppy is the bestest champion, imo.
Anyone remember Doublelift playing support poppy?
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On November 30 2013 16:08 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2013 16:05 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Jesus Poppy wtf is with that champion? That late game is ridiculous.
I won the lane, took both towers and went 3-1 but she just kept slowly getting cs. 30 minutes rolls around and we CANT kill her. She had stupid amounts of armor so me (riven) and cait (who seemed bad anyway) did no damage to her. Our anivia just kinda flopped over and died. At one point we had 3 people chase her and hit her from our red buff to their side of river and she got away (and our team, now 4 there, lost the team fight). To finish out the game, I pushed my lane and Poppy pushed mid solo and basically did 1v4 (1v2 at first, then killed one and another person came so still 1v2, repeat for a quadra kill).
Probably not the champion itself, but damn so tanky. Play someone with True Damage Ignore her Passive ??? Profit Olaf utterly destroys Poppy imo, play him.
They banned Olaf and Poppy was the last pick (or 4th pick) anyway IIRC. I was 1st/2nd pick for our team
EDIT: Holy shit I just looked at that passive. In the era of assassins, why was she not picked more?
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Anivia's animation got cleaned up quite a bit, as I recall. The projectile speed is actually kind of a mixed blessing. You can get autos without minion aggro if you're good at it. I want to say her base attack speed is also quite bad, which is what really makes super early last-hitting hard. I might be remembering that wrong, though; I haven't been playing a lot of Anivia lately.
I think there are a lot of things going on when people call Anivia one of the harder champions and both sides of the argument are sort of combining them all. Anivia requires a pretty high amount of game knowledge just to play. If you put her in the hands of bronzies, she will often wind up doing absolutely nothing, even discounting McLaren walls. Even her point-and-click skill requires a setup to get pretty good value out of it. She's one of two or three characters in the game that can easily run out of mana even given two mana items.
After people cross a certain threshold, though, she's not really that much more difficult to play to a pretty solid level than most mids. She has a lot of really specific knowledge. There is no skill in the game that functions like wall, and I can't think of any skills that work quite like her ult in teamfights. Even something that's sort of the same like a Nunu ult or Malz pool are different because she both relies on it and can be CCd out of it. If you have this knowledge, however, I don't think Anivia is really that hard to play to a reasonable level.
Having said that, the difference between a pretty good wall and the best possible wall (in terms of both timing and position) is often enough to turn a teamfight. I guess that's sort of true of a lot of utility skills to a degree, but generally not as much as a wall. It's maybe the single highest impact non-ultimate in the game. Easily on the level of Blitz hook.
And while I sort of understand Alaric's beef with Anivia, he's wrong. Anivia games ARE highly interactive. You just don't often interact with the Anivia directly. Anivia puts the onus on the opponent to find a way through, and most people try to go directly through her too much instead of looking to exploit her obvious weaknesses. It's sort of like trying to fight a Pantheon head-on at level one. I guess maybe you can find some way to do it, but it's generally more effective to play around his strengths rather than into them.
Anivia changes the vector of the game (and the draft, if you're playing at that level), but that doesn't make it any less strategic. Whether or not you find such a game boring to play or watch is entirely up to you, but it's not like either team is bereft of meaningful decisions.
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On November 30 2013 16:25 TheRabidDeer wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2013 16:08 Lord Tolkien wrote:On November 30 2013 16:05 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Jesus Poppy wtf is with that champion? That late game is ridiculous.
I won the lane, took both towers and went 3-1 but she just kept slowly getting cs. 30 minutes rolls around and we CANT kill her. She had stupid amounts of armor so me (riven) and cait (who seemed bad anyway) did no damage to her. Our anivia just kinda flopped over and died. At one point we had 3 people chase her and hit her from our red buff to their side of river and she got away (and our team, now 4 there, lost the team fight). To finish out the game, I pushed my lane and Poppy pushed mid solo and basically did 1v4 (1v2 at first, then killed one and another person came so still 1v2, repeat for a quadra kill).
Probably not the champion itself, but damn so tanky. Play someone with True Damage Ignore her Passive ??? Profit Olaf utterly destroys Poppy imo, play him. They banned Olaf and Poppy was the last pick (or 4th pick) anyway IIRC. I was 1st/2nd pick for our team
There's always Irelia, though that's less of an utter curbstomp. Still horrendous for Poppy though, and you basically do what Poppy does when farmed.
EDIT: Holy shit I just looked at that passive. In the era of assassins, why was she not picked more?
She's absolute shit in lane (like, unless the enemy plays terribly, you're NEVER getting ahead in lane against 95% of enemy top laners, mid lanes' worse, and several counterpicks render her useless), she requires alot of farm to get going (aka: her midgame sucks), and...did I mention her laning is balls? If you let her free-farm, it's your loss. Poppy's pretty trivial to starve of farm.
She's great once you hit 6 items...but really, you aren't going to get there.
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On November 30 2013 16:25 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Jesus Poppy wtf is with that champion? That late game is ridiculous.
I won the lane, took both towers and went 3-1 but she just kept slowly getting cs. 30 minutes rolls around and we CANT kill her. She had stupid amounts of armor so me (riven) and cait (who seemed bad anyway) did no damage to her. Our anivia just kinda flopped over and died. At one point we had 3 people chase her and hit her from our red buff to their side of river and she got away (and our team, now 4 there, lost the team fight). To finish out the game, I pushed my lane and Poppy pushed mid solo and basically did 1v4 (1v2 at first, then killed one and another person came so still 1v2, repeat for a quadra kill).
They banned Olaf and Poppy was the last pick (or 4th pick) anyway IIRC. I was 1st/2nd pick for our team
It might be that poppy just stood out for you, but what lost the game is your team's reaction to the poppy. It doesn't seem like you team dealt with it properly at all. I am going to assume you are not used to playing against a poppy due to how rare they are. She's always been a strong champion. The fact that your team chased a poppy that long tells me your team had no clue on what to do with a poppy. Your team essentially suicides in a a line to the champion. That's not going to work with any top lane champion with decent cs.
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On November 30 2013 16:28 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2013 16:25 TheRabidDeer wrote:On November 30 2013 16:08 Lord Tolkien wrote:On November 30 2013 16:05 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Jesus Poppy wtf is with that champion? That late game is ridiculous.
I won the lane, took both towers and went 3-1 but she just kept slowly getting cs. 30 minutes rolls around and we CANT kill her. She had stupid amounts of armor so me (riven) and cait (who seemed bad anyway) did no damage to her. Our anivia just kinda flopped over and died. At one point we had 3 people chase her and hit her from our red buff to their side of river and she got away (and our team, now 4 there, lost the team fight). To finish out the game, I pushed my lane and Poppy pushed mid solo and basically did 1v4 (1v2 at first, then killed one and another person came so still 1v2, repeat for a quadra kill).
Probably not the champion itself, but damn so tanky. Play someone with True Damage Ignore her Passive ??? Profit Olaf utterly destroys Poppy imo, play him. They banned Olaf and Poppy was the last pick (or 4th pick) anyway IIRC. I was 1st/2nd pick for our team There's always Irelia, though that's less of an utter curbstomp. Still horrendous for Poppy though, and you basically do what Poppy does when farmed. Show nested quote +EDIT: Holy shit I just looked at that passive. In the era of assassins, why was she not picked more? She's absolute shit in lane (like, unless the enemy plays terribly, you're NEVER getting ahead in lane against 95% of enemy top laners, mid lanes' worse, and several counterpicks render her useless), she requires alot of farm to get going (aka: her midgame sucks), and...did I mention her laning is balls? If you let her free-farm, it's your loss. Poppy's pretty trivial to starve of farm. She's great once you hit 6 items...but really, you aren't going to get there.
Maybe I shouldn't have pushed the lane so hard then. I got one tower then went to help my team, but she kept just slowly getting cs and eventually pulling me back to the tower. I would clear the wave and she just fell back. I was pretty ahead in cs and kills early on but she just slowly kept pushing. So she was never ahead of ME, but she ended up being ahead of my team (honestly, they were all behind though... I was level 15 while they were 11/12 and our cait was losing lane vs graves/taric).
On November 30 2013 16:32 ketchup wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2013 16:25 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Jesus Poppy wtf is with that champion? That late game is ridiculous.
I won the lane, took both towers and went 3-1 but she just kept slowly getting cs. 30 minutes rolls around and we CANT kill her. She had stupid amounts of armor so me (riven) and cait (who seemed bad anyway) did no damage to her. Our anivia just kinda flopped over and died. At one point we had 3 people chase her and hit her from our red buff to their side of river and she got away (and our team, now 4 there, lost the team fight). To finish out the game, I pushed my lane and Poppy pushed mid solo and basically did 1v4 (1v2 at first, then killed one and another person came so still 1v2, repeat for a quadra kill).
They banned Olaf and Poppy was the last pick (or 4th pick) anyway IIRC. I was 1st/2nd pick for our team It might be that poppy just stood out for you, but what lost the game is your team's reaction to the poppy. It doesn't seem like you team dealt with it properly at all. I am going to assume you are not used to playing against a poppy due to how rare they are. She's always been a strong champion. The fact that your team chased a poppy that long tells me your team had no clue on what to do with a poppy. Your team essentially suicides in a a line to the champion. That's not going to work with any top lane champion with decent cs.
Yea, none of us had played vs her before I dont think. We never would have won the game anyways (our ADC finished with 4 kills), but the fact that she wouldn't die is frustrating lol. I had no clue her passive did that, but it explains why I had troubles beating her 1v1 later.
What is the best way to 1v1 poppy late game (as riven)?
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On November 30 2013 16:21 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2013 16:10 Zdrastochye wrote:On November 30 2013 16:08 Lord Tolkien wrote:On November 30 2013 16:05 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Jesus Poppy wtf is with that champion? That late game is ridiculous.
I won the lane, took both towers and went 3-1 but she just kept slowly getting cs. 30 minutes rolls around and we CANT kill her. She had stupid amounts of armor so me (riven) and cait (who seemed bad anyway) did no damage to her. Our anivia just kinda flopped over and died. At one point we had 3 people chase her and hit her from our red buff to their side of river and she got away (and our team, now 4 there, lost the team fight). To finish out the game, I pushed my lane and Poppy pushed mid solo and basically did 1v4 (1v2 at first, then killed one and another person came so still 1v2, repeat for a quadra kill).
Probably not the champion itself, but damn so tanky. Play someone with True Damage Ignore her Passive ??? Profit Olaf utterly destroys Poppy imo, play him. I think a Poppy vs Olaf all for one game would go in favor of the Poppies. I think Poppy vs Olaf Lane would go to poopie. Poppy is the bestest champion, imo. Anyone remember Doublelift playing support poppy?
Everything that sucks is considered OP if you read this so called discussion thread. "I play X bad champion and its just not picked much due to people being bad at it" Ofc everything is based on winning one normal game with that X champion aswell.
Sadly it goes both ways, as soon as people loses to something that isnt part of the meta its an underappreciated pick that's broken.
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Don't let her get to late game. Edit: the proper response was probably to not try to help your team and instead keep pushing the lane until you had the inhib. Force the enemy team to come top to deal with you instead of leaving top to deal with the enemy team. Just get wards and you'll be fine for when they try.
Make sure you bring ignite (her passive does not work on true damage). In general any dot is strong (so liandry's and sunfire cape have a disproportionate effect on her if you have champions which can build them)
When she ults scatter and don't let her get to multiple people. Kill her team then pick her off. The only person who can effect her is the person she ulted so they should concentrate on cc'ing poppy if they have any but not necessarily damage. Once her ult runs out you can probably kill her.
Don't fight in the jungle if you can help it. The easy access to walls increases the power of her dash.
Don't attempt to flash/dash her e. Because the move block on her e triggers last it will pull you back in
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