[Patch 3.14] PreSeason 4 General Discussion - Page 80

On November 27 2013 18:38 obesechicken13 wrote:
Government does this too where they make really unintuitive laws to deal with edge cases.

On November 27 2013 17:16 TheYango wrote:

The problem with assists is that they're not well scaled over # of participants. Pre-patch the total assist gold was fixed regardless of the number of contributors. So if it was a 2-person kill it felt like the assist was worth most of the kill, but when you had 5-person teamfight kills, the per-player assist value seemed really low overall. In fact, because of how concentrated blocks of larger amounts of gold are more impactful (since gold in and of itself is meaningless unless it gets you to an item), it felt like 5-person kills were worse than 2-person kills as far as assist value went.

Assist streaks go too far in the opposite direction--the base assist value is so low that the overall assist value is too high for 5-person kills compared to 2-person kills.

Ideally you want some happy medium where overall assist gold scales appropriately by number of players involved, so that it feels rewarding and not wasteful in all cases.

On November 27 2013 21:06 Shikyo wrote:
Oh I completely missed that change to assists. I was wondering what was going on. 8-1-8 with 247 minions is 500g behind 6-3-16 with 221 minions. I guess with the assists giving so much more gold that makes sense... Maybe this means that I should just sacrifice farming and instead run around trying to do teamfights more, assists are so valuable. Also feels kind of dumb because someone like Gangplank can just E and collect all assists automatically without doing anything whereas an assassin might have the time to only kill 1 or 2 targets and his team wins the TF without him getting to touch any of the others for assist, giving that Gangplank more overall gold even if he didn't do anything. It also is really stupid that for killing a feeder who's at like 0-5, the person getting an assist gets the same amount of gold as the one killing even if they barely contribute(assuming they have enough assists over kills).

On November 27 2013 18:28 TheYango wrote:
So, something just occurred to me.

Why is it that kill value is based on kill/death streak and not champion level? Riot has already had to implement not one, but TWO band-aid fixes to the system to handle abuses cases (assists partially resetting death streaks to avoid 0/x/y supports being worth no gold to kill, and farming partially resetting death streaks to avoid the feeding split-pusher abuse case), plus there's still the counter-intuitive case where someone who is on a death streak should avoid getting kills because he will reset his gold value (where the intuitive choice is for that player to get kills to have the gold to catch up).

Champion level is by far a better indicator than kill/death streak of who is ahead/behind anyway. Given how much they've already had to band-aid the system of kill/death streak to avoid the abuse cases--and how it STILL has counter-intuitive edge cases anyway--it just seems to make more sense to change it entirely.

On November 27 2013 18:40 TheYango wrote:
Which is why it's funnier when an idealistic politician launches an ideological crusade against it when they're first elected, and then 4 years later they're doing the same shit as everyone else.

On November 27 2013 22:29 Slayer91 wrote:


why would this be funny politicians want to get elected they don't really about care their policies that much

On November 27 2013 17:29 Sponkz wrote:


I believe that the biggest issue right now, is that it's rather difficult to close out the game during mid-game unless you're extremely far ahead (think something like 20-3 or similar). Most games I've played in ranked lately, playing when ahead and also when behind, still end up going into 35-40+ minutes, because everyone is stacking wave clear, and even if you don't double targon can help you as well. Games are now decided by factors like late-game positioning when baiting for baron or sieging towers rather than rewarding mid-game team play like in Season 3.

On November 27 2013 16:28 GTPGlitch wrote:
I guess I understand why people are complaining about the game being slower-paced, but I don't understand why anyone doesn't do anything to try and change it. I mean I guess most of this falls on the jungler's shoulders since they have the most impact in terms of game rhythm since most of the time (in silver at least ^^ its 1-1-2 lanes for both teams... But why haven't any new junglers entered the pool of viability. I'm just seeing all the same junglers from s3, just with less ganking because people are sad that the level three timing is gone and decide to just farm the jungle... Why not just pick a different jungler that can gank effectively at level two with a lot of CC, and doesn't need to afk farm jungle to be effective? Just because champs like ali/leona/thresh/blitz (to a lesser extent nami and lulu) were played as supports in s3 doesn't mean they have to be supports in s4. Super frustrating to see like zero innovation with the changes and just people shoehorning old champs into new metas and giving them all shields of infinite money -.-;;

/rant

On November 27 2013 22:31 Slayer91 wrote:
im not trying to be edgy I think this is just common sense
if we elected league teams based on how much they believe and market themselves/their ideas we'd have shikyo and prinxizor in all the time and then complain that our league teams suck

On November 27 2013 22:49 Alaric wrote:
Frankly, it feels more like "if you try ganking and don't get a kill every single time you're very behind" more than a farm to the afk farming. Well, technically that's an indirect buff, but unless I'm Amumu or something and I want to farm till 6 I'm not too sold on it in terms of gold and long term xp.

On November 27 2013 23:02 Duvon wrote:
How hard are people actually pushing, when trying to end games quickly?
I haven't played much this patch, but one of the games was basically that we had a bit of a lead in the midgame, so we gathered and pushed hard. We got a 2-1 when they engaged us, we crushed inner and inhib. You are so strong compared to the towers, much much quicker.