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On November 26 2013 07:55 Sponkz wrote:
The more i look at the utility tree, the more obvious it is to me, how bad RIOT made it. Like holy shit, there's seriously no reason not to run 0/21/9 on supports right now. Like the only shit you miss out on, is MSPD, Scavenger and CDR. Bandit fucking sucks, wealth is like "oh i can get another pot", i cant even feel inspiration and 1,5 gp10 is nothing when you buy relic shield. Rather just go tanky early on with some pretty beast defensive team-fight perks.
How are the later points any worse than they were before? Scavenger will be better after relic's gets nerfed. Say your ADC misses 3 CS every two waves. For one point, that's still slightly more gold than the 3 points invested in greed. You now get 40 gold for 1 point instead of 50 gold for 2. You get 1% less CDR. Bandit is the same for ranged champions (although the wording is confusing). The two movement speed masteries have sort of been swapped around, which is quite strange.
Really though, I don't understand your complaints. The masteries you single out are the ones that are almost the same as they were before. Going 21 in defense may be fine as well, but it's not like it's just definitively better. Especially on supports like Fiddlesticks, I like 4/5/21 quite a lot.
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They change them spirit stones on PBE again....
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On November 26 2013 00:00 Scip wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 19:28 GolemMadness wrote:On November 25 2013 17:04 Scip wrote:On November 25 2013 16:15 GolemMadness wrote:
Despite many people's predictions, Eve's popularity and win rate have remained basically the same so far. I wonder if it'll start to pick up once things have settled down a bit and relic's is nerfed. wtf, Evelynn is broken as FUCK there is enough gold in the jungle to build AP and you dont have to worry about anyone buying pinks because they suck and then you can get hyperbuffed spectral wrath for massive sustain, shit's OP I am staggered that her winrates haven't spiked. My first thought would be that that's because more people who never played her before try her out, but if her popularity hasn't spiked that's not the case. Not sure why that is o.o You could build AP before as well...? If the new SotSW were that great, then Fiddlesticks and Amumu would see a huge increase in their win percentage as well. The simple fact is that the sustain it provides isn't that great, and it provides slower clear times than SotEL did for Eve. From the games I've played so far, her early game definitely seems harder. Hitting level 3 later makes your first gank less likely to succeed, your jungle clears are very painful until you get SotSW, and the 10% less CDR hurts Eve probably more than any other jungler. Yes, people are less likely to see you coming for a gank, but if you're not strong enough to kill them, it's not a great trade off. hahaha building AP was viable only in extremely specific situations (like some triple-AP comps, something along the lines of Liss+Vlad+Eve, where Eve could be the one to get Abyssal), in general with the lack of levels you would be too squishy to really be able to do anything. Fiddlesticks is so much more awesome as a support than a jungler that no, we wouldn't see a huge winrate spike. Amumu does have some significant problems, one of them could potentially be bad AP ratios (considering all his skills are melee-only), which could correlate with not getting more awesome with the introduction of the new SotSW. You also might find it interesting the the Spirit of the Spectral Wrath DOES give 10% CDR. Not sure what setup you are using that you are having trouble earlygame with Eve, I use flat AP quints+blues, flat AD reds and armor yellows, and use 21-9-0 masteries (for specific masteries you can check my lolking profile - SF Scipeaus)
Guess I shouldn't write posts late at night; I meant the 10% less CDR from blue buff hurts quite a lot. I'm using basically the same runes and masteries as you. I'll have to try her out some more, but so far I definitely don't feel as strong as season 3.
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Be like Scip and don't gank before lvl 6 unless it's a really obvious gank - that seems like a solid way to play her atm. You don't get THAT much gold from early jungle but you definitely get sufficient exp.
The gold will come rolling in later..
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On November 26 2013 07:55 Sponkz wrote:
The more i look at the utility tree, the more obvious it is to me, how bad RIOT made it. Like holy shit, there's seriously no reason not to run 0/21/9 on supports right now. Like the only shit you miss out on, is MSPD, Scavenger and CDR. Bandit fucking sucks, wealth is like "oh i can get another pot", i cant even feel inspiration and 1,5 gp10 is nothing when you buy relic shield. Rather just go tanky early on with some pretty beast defensive team-fight perks.
they spent like 30 months fiddling with the support tree for the points to feel valuable in a low gold situation, then just tripled the amount of gold supports get over night.
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Have to think about this more to see how it'll affect Eve:
Spirit of the Spectral Wraith
No longer grants +14 Health Regen per 5 seconds
No longer grants +7 Mana Regen per 5 seconds
Now grants +10 Magic Penetration
Unnamed UNIQUE Passive is removed
New UNIQUE Passive - Entrap: Restore 9% of damage dealt to monsters as Health and 6% as Mana.(One-third effect for area of effect spells)
UNIQUE Passive - Bounty Hunter is removed
New UNIQUE Passive - Conservation: Upon killing a large or epic monster,grants up to 40 bonus Gold,based on the last time Conservation triggered
Spirit Stone
No longer grants +14 Health Regen per 5 seconds
No longer grants +7 Mana Regen per 5 seconds
UNIQUE Passive - Maim is removed
UNIQUE Passive - Butcher: Now deals 25% bonus damage to monsters (up from 20)
New UNIQUE Passive - Entrap: Restore 9% of damage dealt to monsters as Health and 6% as Mana (One-third effect for area of effect spells)
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lol spirit stone is fucking crazy now wtf
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On November 26 2013 11:14 EquilasH wrote:
Be like Scip and don't gank before lvl 6 unless it's a really obvious gank - that seems like a solid way to play her atm. You don't get THAT much gold from early jungle but you definitely get sufficient exp.
The gold will come rolling in later..
You mistyped level 16.
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On November 26 2013 11:33 Slayer91 wrote:
lol spirit stone is fucking crazy now wtf
Lol. Who needs blue anymore...
That sustain is insane.
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targons melee only now ahahahahhahahaha
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On November 26 2013 11:19 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 07:55 Sponkz wrote:
The more i look at the utility tree, the more obvious it is to me, how bad RIOT made it. Like holy shit, there's seriously no reason not to run 0/21/9 on supports right now. Like the only shit you miss out on, is MSPD, Scavenger and CDR. Bandit fucking sucks, wealth is like "oh i can get another pot", i cant even feel inspiration and 1,5 gp10 is nothing when you buy relic shield. Rather just go tanky early on with some pretty beast defensive team-fight perks. they spent like 30 months fiddling with the support tree for the points to feel valuable in a low gold situation, then just tripled the amount of gold supports get over night.
That being said, I didn't think the old support tree was that good. I always ran 16/14/0 grabbing double pen and imp exhaust in offensive then hp and block in defence. Always won all the trades.
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On November 26 2013 12:02 FinestHour wrote:
targons melee only now ahahahahhahahaha
i wont even notice
ima start slapping bitches if people dont learn to let me auto hit to clear stacks though
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melee targons = double bruiser lanes stronk
ranged supports suck
spirit stone being insane is great for junglers who have hp issues even after getting spirit stone (amumu, rammus)
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Poppy Alistar I'm dying of laughter right now
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Is Thresh still coded as a melee champion? I remember at some point he was, maybe it was only in PBE.
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pretty sure I've seen hurricane thresh
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On November 26 2013 12:38 Requizen wrote:
Is Thresh still coded as a melee champion? I remember at some point he was, maybe it was only in PBE.
Hydra confirmed does not work on Thresh. Bought it on him the first time I played him in an ARAM, was quite disappointed that it wouldn't let me use the passive or active.
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Thresh is ranged he just has a melee animation. Kayle in ranged form will also trigger hurricane despite not even having a projectile animation.
This would be fine if ranged attacked were those coded as such regardless of animation, but then riot has to go and make things work off of projectiles as well and then its like what is Kayle? Totally inconsistent just like the new S4 prepatch!
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On November 26 2013 12:45 Magus wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 12:38 Requizen wrote:
Is Thresh still coded as a melee champion? I remember at some point he was, maybe it was only in PBE. Hydra confirmed does not work on Thresh. Bought it on him the first time I played him in an ARAM, was quite disappointed that it wouldn't let me use the passive or active.
Lichbane. Souls give all the AP.
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On November 26 2013 12:02 FinestHour wrote:
targons melee only now ahahahahhahahaha
Jarvan Leona season 4 OP lane
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EPT
