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On November 26 2013 00:56 Celial wrote:
Also, on the tank or damage debate: OddOne has been saying for a few days now that going tanky is useless, you get instagibbed regardless (or rather, don't do enough in the short amount of time you are alive). Better build damage. Although he does go 21 defense on some champions. He just builds damage on all champions. Anecdotal evidence from his stream is for example an enemy nocturne who was tearing shit up early game. After two offensive items (i think Elder Lizard and Cleaver) he went tank. Proceeds to feed and not do ANYTHING in game. OddOne on Vi proclaims "PEOPLE IN LOW ELO WERE CORRECT ALL ALONG, THIS IS THE ULTIMATE BUILD!" - Elder Lizard, Triforce and Last Whisper.
Soooo yeah. That and the fact that he said repeatedly that the only champion to EVER build tank on is Olaf. He usually goes Tabis, three DBlades and Sunfire.
Edit: Btw, does anyone else feel like you can not farm properly in jungle anymore? People taking jungle ALL THE TIME directly from the start of the game. I feel like I have to farm nonstop so nobody else takes my shit.
Oddone says a lot of stuff. Sometimes just to troll. Tank mumu and rammus still wrecking solo queue.
I've seen AP Amumus and they suck.
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because they nerfed amumus AP ratios. ap amumu should be played like an assasin, but most people still play him like a tank and then die. when he had 1.0 scaling on his q and r people could play him wrong and still pick up a kill and then they nerf him to a more reasonable level and all the retards playing ap amumu because it was easy suddenly couldnt faceroll.
im not saying he was a strong pick ever, just that was there a dumb way to play him where you would feel important, and thats a really strong feeling in low elo.
on the subject of tanks and damage,i think its genuinly too early to tell. it seems like such a cop out to say that but i think its true here. people are playing so dumb/weird for mostly no reason at the moment that nothing can be said for certainty, especially not such a blanket statement like "all tanks are worse because of X". when people settle down and go back to play cautiously in ranked i think tanks overall will be roughly in the same place as before.
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I think AP itemization is defensively strong enough to strike a good balance of tankiness and damage for AP mummy.
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Sunfire Abyssal Sejuani is such a (cold) searing ball of doom.
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On November 26 2013 01:38 Alaric wrote:
Sunfire Abyssal Sejuani is such a (cold) searing ball of doom.
Should toss in liandries in there as well. All dat burn dmg.
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
well, with things like double AP duolanes just wrecking faces I'd agree that generally building damage out of jungle is more beneficial. Obviously not always, like aforementioned Amumu and Rammus are possible exceptions, but with the mainstream junglers I'd say definitely.
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On November 26 2013 01:59 Scip wrote:
well, with things like double AP duolanes just wrecking faces I'd agree that generally building damage out of jungle is more beneficial. Obviously not always, like aforementioned Amumu and Rammus are possible exceptions, but with the mainstream junglers I'd say definitely.
Yeah, I can agree to that. I'd much rather have damaging Vi's Lees and J4s than tanky ones, but I still think the tank role is valuable. Teams need initiators. Yesterday I played a game where my team was up like 10-4 and we just let the enemy team take Dragon and then our blue buff even though we were all grouped up because no one dared to initiate. We weren't tanky enough.
At the very least you should still go a bruiser role on those junglers because other than J4 they don't offer enough crowd control to be worthwhile as just tanks.
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Baa?21244 Posts
you can build damage and initiate
people need to stop being pussies
who cares if you build damage and initiate and die if it means your team wipes them
ppl need to stop placing their own kda above advancing the team's position
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On November 26 2013 02:08 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 01:59 Scip wrote:
well, with things like double AP duolanes just wrecking faces I'd agree that generally building damage out of jungle is more beneficial. Obviously not always, like aforementioned Amumu and Rammus are possible exceptions, but with the mainstream junglers I'd say definitely. Yeah, I can agree to that. I'd much rather have damaging Vi's Lees and J4s than tanky ones, but I still think the tank role is valuable. Teams need initiators. Yesterday I played a game where my team was up like 10-4 and we just let the enemy team take Dragon and then our blue buff even though we were all grouped up because no one dared to initiate. We weren't tanky enough. At the very least you should still go a bruiser role on those junglers because other than J4 they don't offer enough crowd control to be worthwhile as just tanks.
Did you see the AP Malphite Alex played this weekend?
Terror.
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Well either that or just play Mundo and go trololol my base damage OP and you can't kill me either
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
Only some champions can build dmg and still initiate
Only champions with ranged CC skills and Lissandra can
otherwise you have to build tanky if you're Shen/Rammus/Amumu etc. you get raped and if you want to initiate with jarvan you probably be better of building tank too because that is dmg worth when you die in 1 second anyway? better live for 2 seconds.
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On November 26 2013 02:22 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
you can build damage and initiate
people need to stop being pussies
who cares if you build damage and initiate and die if it means your team wipes them
ppl need to stop placing their own kda above advancing the team's position
My overall kd in ranked is way below 1.0. It's probably fine for Vi , Leona, Lulu, etc. I'm not so sure about Jax and Viktor though. 
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On November 26 2013 02:29 Alaric wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 02:22 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
you can build damage and initiate
people need to stop being pussies
who cares if you build damage and initiate and die if it means your team wipes them
ppl need to stop placing their own kda above advancing the team's position My overall kd in ranked is way below 1.0. It's probably fine for Vi , Leona, Lulu, etc. I'm not so sure about Jax and Viktor though.
Isn't your overall ranked WR% also below .5
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Mundo making a comeback, played a couple games with him and its pretty silly. You literally can sit on their carry's face and they can't do anything. Even lategame, they're kind of screwed unless they get a perfect series of crit procs, or they're Vayne.
Also, there's a guy named Dyrus in my Clash of Clans clan. I wonder if its actually him.
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That's not because it's Mundo, but because you receive so much damn free gold, though. Remove the assist streaks and you'll notice that you don't actually get that much more gold from the jungle, it's just there's less pressure on you in the first minutes because the level 3 gank timing isn't there anymore.
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On November 26 2013 02:22 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
you can build damage and initiate
people need to stop being pussies
who cares if you build damage and initiate and die if it means your team wipes them
ppl need to stop placing their own kda above advancing the team's position
+1.
2.1 KDA D1 reporting in.
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Just double checking: Ranked decay only effects LP and has 0 effect on MMR, correct? I'm getting close to decay time but would rather avoid ranked until S4 actually starts.
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So I've had some moderate success with support rammy. Laning with him is a bitch but once from mid game and onwards he gets hella tanky and with that 3 second taunt teamfights are a cinch.
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On November 26 2013 03:57 GettingIt wrote:
So I've had some moderate success with support rammy. Laning with him is a bitch but once from mid game and onwards he gets hella tanky and with that 3 second taunt teamfights are a cinch.
The thought of a feared Rammus having a taunted Fiddles running after him for 3 hours is hilarious to me.
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On November 26 2013 04:00 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 03:57 GettingIt wrote:
So I've had some moderate success with support rammy. Laning with him is a bitch but once from mid game and onwards he gets hella tanky and with that 3 second taunt teamfights are a cinch. The thought of a feared Rammus having a taunted Fiddles running after him for 3 hours is hilarious to me.
Soundtrack: Benny Hill.
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