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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On November 24 2013 13:04 Scip wrote: If 2-1-2 meta became dominant I'd expect 1-2-1 with jungler to start to pop up this is not a prediction just a hunch 1 solo laner starts relic shield -> Jungler visits lane to consume stacks every time a cannon spawns -> profit This isn't really in response to your post so I'm not sure why I quoted that one in specific. | ||
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canikizu
4860 Posts
On November 24 2013 13:04 Scip wrote: If 2-1-2 meta became dominant I'd expect 1-2-1 with jungler to start to pop up this is not a prediction just a hunch It sounds reasonable. Running 1-2-1 gives the support (which relic shields) more access to roaming both top and bot, which sounds interesting. | ||
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IMoperator
4476 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On November 24 2013 13:21 canikizu wrote: It sounds reasonable. Running 1-2-1 gives the support (which relic shields) more access to roaming both top and bot, which sounds interesting. Standard 1-1-2 would be better than. Since the roam distance between top and bot is long, not as time efficient. With top and mid solo laner. The roaming jungle/support gains xp from both lanes and gold without spending too much time walking back and forth, as in comparison to top and bot. | ||
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justiceknight
Singapore5741 Posts
On November 24 2013 13:26 IMoperator wrote: what's the deal with riot trying to give support insane gold flow for basically not doing shit? At least when supports were the ward jockies they were doing something like clearing/placing wards. But now they just get free gold from the stupid items and are tanky as fuck. I'm sorry, but im under the impression that not every role has to be a carry role. I know that riot and a lot of players think differently, but i was completely fine buying only wards and using my abilities to help the team as support, not buying a shit ton of defensive items and basically becoming an unkillable tank. blame sightstone, its a stupid item to give free vision w/o having much skill to control gold flow like in S2. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On November 24 2013 13:39 justiceknight wrote: blame sightstone, its a stupid item to give free vision w/o having much skill to control gold flow like in S2. Uhhh, did you forget HOG's ridiculousness in S2? Sightstone filled that role much better. | ||
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YouGotNothin
United States907 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 24 2013 13:56 sylverfyre wrote: Uhhh, did you forget HOG's ridiculousness in S2? Sightstone filled that role much better. HoG in and of itself was not really degenerate, its ubiquity on supports more just signified the lack of real utility items for supports to buy in that price range. There simply was not much you could actually DO with the 800 gold you spent on HoG that would produce immediate advantage, particularly in lane, so you sat on HoG because by the time you actually needed anything your first gp10 usually was cost-effective. Sightstone filled that hole, it's just that giving free vision is a pretty iffy way to make a utility item, given the implications that free vision has overall on the rest of the game. Ultimately, Riot's failing is still that they STILL support income as a resource allocation problem and not as an incentivization problem (that is, they see support gold flow as an issue because there's not enough gold for supports to have, not a problem of there's not enough reason to give the existing gold flow to supports). Gold flow for a large portion of the game is easily transferrable. It's not that a support cannot farm, it's that there is no reason for them to be given farm when there are zero support items in the game that are good enough to be worth taking farm off someone else for them to have. The support gold items in S4 didn't really solve this problem, it just transformed supports into being able to buy core role items by giving them an enormous source of free gold. But you'll note that everyone who's tried to buy support items essentially "ran out of things to buy" because S4 still has not provided a large enough pool of effective support items. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On November 24 2013 13:56 YouGotNothin wrote: The range on blue trinket is really disappointing, I don't really see the point of it except to like check over a wall into baron or dragon pit if you don't have a ward. Imo it's the perfect anti fnatic item in late game. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
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Cr4zyH0r5e
Peru1308 Posts
On November 24 2013 14:43 sylverfyre wrote: If support income drops down to reasonable levels (honestly it probably won't - the INCOME was never as low as it seemed, it's just several thousand gold was spent on stacks of wards, which doesn't do much anymore.) What? Killing oracles and nerfing pinks? Tons of wards are a lot stronger than they used to be. It's just that it cannot be controlled by one individual anymore. Now it's a "team effort". I've lost all faith in riot. | ||
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Mondeezy
United States1938 Posts
On November 24 2013 05:41 Mondeezy wrote: I feel the exact same. I'm not sure if I should be duoing top, jungling, or what. I really would like 2-1-2 lanes to be an option, because I think it'd bring some interesting game flow and lane compositions to play around with, but not at the expense of making jungle obsolete. Also, what are supports building nowadays? Still sightstone rush after Targons? Bump for my earlier question. Sidenote - what is the optimal jungle gank path now? I used to go bot lane buff, other buff, level 3 gank top. Did that big wraith being introduced change anything up, or have people kept it relatively the same? | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
This ability is going to be really fun to watch pros use. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On November 24 2013 15:01 Requizen wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=AeG6kPPHwq8 This ability is going to be really fun to watch pros use. It blocks basically everything with a travel time. This includes autos, skillshots(some fizzle, some explode at that point). And then you remember who made yasuo, and you realize that every single one of his releases had to get nerfed to hell before they became "balanced" | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
On November 24 2013 15:17 Amui wrote: It blocks basically everything with a travel time. This includes autos, skillshots(some fizzle, some explode at that point). And then you remember who made yasuo, and you realize that every single one of his releases had to get nerfed to hell before they became "balanced" Thresh, Zed and Zyra, yeah. He also made Darius but honestly Darius was super well-balanced on release and wasn't nerfed for over a year. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
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ketchup
14521 Posts
On November 24 2013 15:17 Amui wrote: It blocks basically everything with a travel time. This includes autos, skillshots(some fizzle, some explode at that point). And then you remember who made yasuo, and you realize that every single one of his releases had to get nerfed to hell before they became "balanced" I don't understand why they'd restrict auto attacks from champions. I sincerely have to wonder if that is intended or not. I also find it amazing that it entirely negates cc too. No effect from that gragas barrel. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
Meanwhile, Fiora's W still doesn't block on-hits  . | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
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