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LaM
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States1321 Posts
November 23 2013 04:08 GMT
#921
I'm going to take a break for a few days. I want to stay up to date with the changes and adapt to the new season but I will let somebody else focus test this absurdly broken shit. It's just no fun. Every game is a boring, throw-filled slugfest of rage and 1-2 players per team who have no idea that there's been a patch and play like idiots. I feel like I dropped 3 tiers.
Anything is Possible
remedium
Profile Joined July 2011
United States939 Posts
November 23 2013 04:09 GMT
#922
On November 23 2013 12:52 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2013 12:35 wei2coolman wrote:
LOLOL Quantic started with 4 RELIC SHIELDS.

HOLY FUCK, this patch. ROFL

Ummm, NACL and other amateur leagues have been running 4 relic shields as a minimum, basically since Day 1. Least I've seen in a game post-patch was 5-6 relic shields, most was 9. 4 is the absolute minimum you'll see, given bot lane duo will always start with it now. Most teams have switched onto 4 relic shields already.


Wasn't that like, two days ago?
Stay positive!
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
November 23 2013 04:17 GMT
#923
LOL wtf is with this game

I played normally, like 2-0 in lane but still nothing too weird. And at 20min I have BOTRK + LW + Brutalizer + tier 2 boots? Also funny when our team pushes as 5 and I can just constantly hear the relic shield "dindindin dindindin dindindin dindindin"
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12084 Posts
November 23 2013 04:17 GMT
#924
On November 23 2013 13:09 remedium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2013 12:52 Lord Tolkien wrote:
On November 23 2013 12:35 wei2coolman wrote:
LOLOL Quantic started with 4 RELIC SHIELDS.

HOLY FUCK, this patch. ROFL

Ummm, NACL and other amateur leagues have been running 4 relic shields as a minimum, basically since Day 1. Least I've seen in a game post-patch was 5-6 relic shields, most was 9. 4 is the absolute minimum you'll see, given bot lane duo will always start with it now. Most teams have switched onto 4 relic shields already.


Wasn't that like, two days ago?

...yes? :o
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
November 23 2013 04:20 GMT
#925
On November 23 2013 13:08 LaM wrote:
I'm going to take a break for a few days. I want to stay up to date with the changes and adapt to the new season but I will let somebody else focus test this absurdly broken shit. It's just no fun. Every game is a boring, throw-filled slugfest of rage and 1-2 players per team who have no idea that there's been a patch and play like idiots. I feel like I dropped 3 tiers.


You can just play the one-for-all mode or ARAM. It's usually a more relaxed atmosphere.
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
November 23 2013 04:28 GMT
#926
When is Riot going to realize that simple = better. New patch and new champ are just filled with needless complexity and we've seen with the patch that there are already "toxic" emergent mechanics because of it
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AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
November 23 2013 04:30 GMT
#927
On November 23 2013 13:28 xes wrote:
When is Riot going to realize that simple = better. New patch and new champ are just filled with needless complexity and we've seen with the patch that there are already "toxic" emergent mechanics because of it


I don't think it's fair to call the new champ "needlessly complex." The interactions are new but that's how new champs work.
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
November 23 2013 04:36 GMT
#928
It's not even that complex. His Q is Xin Zhao's, just using skill shots instead of basic attacks. His ult is made to combo with his Q and his E is well, a dash. W I guess is his most complex skill but even so
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
November 23 2013 04:39 GMT
#929
On November 23 2013 13:28 xes wrote:
When is Riot going to realize that simple = better. New patch and new champ are just filled with needless complexity and we've seen with the patch that there are already "toxic" emergent mechanics because of it


Obviously Pong was the epitome of video games and it's all been downhill since.

The problems that have emerged from the new patch have nothing to do with complexity. They have everything to do with incomplete QA.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
TheLink
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2725 Posts
November 23 2013 04:42 GMT
#930
These problems are all still just numbers problem and we all know that'll get adjusted throughout the preseason. There's nothing inherently broken in Relic Shield and it actually does feel kind of cool when my AD adjusts his last hits depending on who has fiery orbs available. Trinkets are nice except no-one uses them ever, maps perma-dark, that'll presumably change with time too.
The orb animation is a bit obnoxious though, adds a ton of visual interference which is something Riot has worked hard to reduce for brand new spectators watching a tournament stream or something.

My big complaint though is similar to Elementz video if anyone watched that. Not being able to pink your opponents lane wards blows. Scanner doesn't really stop it, maybe when Relic Shield isn't an auto-start I can go back to starting mass wards and both my AD and I can start scanner or something.
Only the weak link is strong enough to break the chain.
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
November 23 2013 04:47 GMT
#931
On November 23 2013 13:30 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2013 13:28 xes wrote:
When is Riot going to realize that simple = better. New patch and new champ are just filled with needless complexity and we've seen with the patch that there are already "toxic" emergent mechanics because of it


I don't think it's fair to call the new champ "needlessly complex." The interactions are new but that's how new champs work.

His Q has double activation based on a secondary resource that also has additional interactions based on the other spells in his kit

The result is you're going to end up with something that's much harder to balance.

Like Lee Sin continues to be op as shit just because he has 7 skills
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Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12084 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-23 04:52:12
November 23 2013 04:51 GMT
#932
m1lkcast answers economic question on NESL.

All I can think of is: we should be more concerned about deflationary pressures than inflationary pressures, this question is bogus. In fact, in an ideal world, USD inflation right now would be a good thing, but as a world reserve currency, not happening despite QE.

/endshitpost

This delay for the last Quantic v. vVv game is agonizing.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
November 23 2013 04:52 GMT
#933
Okay one for all Leona's is hilarious. You can all proc each other's sunlight procs, have hard long range hard initiates on minimal cooldowns, and the lockdown is absurd.
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
November 23 2013 04:52 GMT
#934
So i am pretty sure mikael's crucible is a perfect support item. It's cost efficient, has great utility and is slot inefficient so laners will not pick it up.

The problem is that with boots, sightstone and much dollar, supports currently don't want slot inefficient items and shouldn't get it.

Atm i think we just dick around, enjoy it, but complain at all times in the hope that they fix the game before we get bored.
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phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
November 23 2013 04:53 GMT
#935
This is kind of a different tack, but I think the main thing I think is weird about LoL in general (and this is true previous to this patch and to some extent true in DotA) is that it's kind of bizarre having different invisible mechanics working against each other in terms of granting advantage vs allowing comebacks, the most obvious one being the exponential power of gold gained vs kill streak bounties and decreasing value of champ kills.

You would think that if you wanted to reign in snowballyness it would be as simple as turning a single knob that controlled the exponential/logarithmic advantage curve, but instead we have all these mechanics working against each other that, while they work fine most of the time, can create weird edge cases (like suicidal split pushers). It's only doubly weird when I compare stuff like the new jungle experience mechanics to baseball or soccer which have completely flat advantage.

I suppose that someone with experience in game design could tell me what it was all about, as it is I'm kind of confused as to why all these hidden things have to work against each other.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-23 04:54:12
November 23 2013 04:53 GMT
#936
^^^ can confirm one for all Leona is the most hilarious and broken thing ever. Come level 6, you have infinite chained single target CC and a stupid amount of damage from all the skills adding a passive proc and popping the one already added lol.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-23 04:56:37
November 23 2013 04:55 GMT
#937
I'm just playing ARAMs till shit calms down.

5 Leona gets even dumber when they build IBG. Infinite hard CC, infinite soft CC, infinite damage.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
November 23 2013 05:08 GMT
#938
I dont understand how anyone thought that runic shield is a good idea. Harrassment is practically worthless when you can recover from half to full in like a minute
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
November 23 2013 05:15 GMT
#939
Leona is ridiculous even in SR with the new masteries, her changed W and the gold income. I feel like she's the strongest support at the moment.
LoL EuW: Zhiroo - By starting this squabble you've proven nothing but how vast your stupidity is.
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
November 23 2013 05:18 GMT
#940
On November 23 2013 13:53 Lmui wrote:
^^^ can confirm one for all Leona is the most hilarious and broken thing ever. Come level 6, you have infinite chained single target CC and a stupid amount of damage from all the skills adding a passive proc and popping the one already added lol.

Why not just 5 Vi and assault and battery somebody to dead?
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