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On November 23 2013 04:51 Perplex wrote:
Man, this is certainly my least favorite iteration of the game in the last 2.5 years. Just not having fun anymore :\ anyone else feels similar after this patch? Feels like i'm playing a different game
Completely agree. I also hate pretty much every single change they made to the jungle ... Just feels really sluggish and promotes mindless afk farming rather than strategic game play.
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On November 23 2013 04:51 Perplex wrote:
Man, this is certainly my least favorite iteration of the game in the last 2.5 years. Just not having fun anymore :\ anyone else feels similar after this patch? Feels like i'm playing a different game
What the fuck? there hasn't even been a meta established yet with new patch, how the fuck can you even say it's not fun anymore? The only thing you don't like is the randomness, but that's not what this new meta is, it's just everyone feeling it out.
On November 23 2013 04:58 ArchAngelSC wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 04:51 Perplex wrote:
Man, this is certainly my least favorite iteration of the game in the last 2.5 years. Just not having fun anymore :\ anyone else feels similar after this patch? Feels like i'm playing a different game Completely agree. I also hate pretty much every single change they made to the jungle ... Just feels really sluggish and promotes mindless afk farming rather than strategic game play.
Well looks like right now, 2-1-2, with early game buff secure, is how it's being played out in NA high elo. It's pretty amusing.
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On November 23 2013 04:51 Perplex wrote:
Man, this is certainly my least favorite iteration of the game in the last 2.5 years. Just not having fun anymore :\ anyone else feels similar after this patch? Feels like i'm playing a different game
I think they've changed too many things at once and the game feels really chaotic right now
I just want to play some season 3 ranked games again 
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its funny how many people enjoy being spoonfed how to play the game by riot games instead of figuring out something new for once
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On November 23 2013 04:58 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 04:51 Perplex wrote:
Man, this is certainly my least favorite iteration of the game in the last 2.5 years. Just not having fun anymore :\ anyone else feels similar after this patch? Feels like i'm playing a different game What the fuck? there hasn't even been a meta established yet with new patch, how the fuck can you even say it's not fun anymore? The only thing you don't like is the randomness, but that's not what this new meta is, it's just everyone feeling it out. Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 04:58 ArchAngelSC wrote:On November 23 2013 04:51 Perplex wrote:
Man, this is certainly my least favorite iteration of the game in the last 2.5 years. Just not having fun anymore :\ anyone else feels similar after this patch? Feels like i'm playing a different game Completely agree. I also hate pretty much every single change they made to the jungle ... Just feels really sluggish and promotes mindless afk farming rather than strategic game play. Well looks like right now, 2-1-2, with early game buff secure, is how it's being played out in NA high elo. It's pretty amusing.
That's what I'm doing over on EUW too. It is amusing and it'll be fun for a while but it'll get old before the day is over. Get buffs, hit a minion every 30 seconds, get buffs again after 5 mins. That's your life for 20 mins.
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On November 23 2013 05:00 ArchAngelSC wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 04:58 wei2coolman wrote:On November 23 2013 04:51 Perplex wrote:
Man, this is certainly my least favorite iteration of the game in the last 2.5 years. Just not having fun anymore :\ anyone else feels similar after this patch? Feels like i'm playing a different game What the fuck? there hasn't even been a meta established yet with new patch, how the fuck can you even say it's not fun anymore? The only thing you don't like is the randomness, but that's not what this new meta is, it's just everyone feeling it out. On November 23 2013 04:58 ArchAngelSC wrote:On November 23 2013 04:51 Perplex wrote:
Man, this is certainly my least favorite iteration of the game in the last 2.5 years. Just not having fun anymore :\ anyone else feels similar after this patch? Feels like i'm playing a different game Completely agree. I also hate pretty much every single change they made to the jungle ... Just feels really sluggish and promotes mindless afk farming rather than strategic game play. Well looks like right now, 2-1-2, with early game buff secure, is how it's being played out in NA high elo. It's pretty amusing. That's what I'm doing over on EUW too. It is amusing and it'll be fun for a while but it'll get old before the day is over. Get buffs, hit a minion every 30 seconds, get buffs again after 5 mins. That's your life for 20 mins.
that's not afk farming though...
unless that's what you're calling botlane for the past 2 seasons?
On November 23 2013 05:00 FinestHour wrote:
its funny how many people enjoy being spoonfed how to play the game by riot games instead of figuring out something new for once
Some people don't like being spoon fed free gold, and would rather prefer to earn it. :/
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On November 23 2013 05:00 FinestHour wrote:
its funny how many people enjoy being spoonfed how to play the game by riot games instead of figuring out something new for once
More like "people want options on how to play the game, not chaos brought on by nothing making sense and one item being so overpowered that it breaks everything".
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On November 23 2013 05:03 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 05:00 FinestHour wrote:
its funny how many people enjoy being spoonfed how to play the game by riot games instead of figuring out something new for once More like "people want options on how to play the game, not chaos brought on by nothing making sense and one item being so overpowered that it breaks everything".
targun more toxic than black cleaver.
i think that says everything.
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I also really don't enjoy the sheer amount of gold that everyone gets through assist streaks and stuff like that, on top of Targon being broken. It doesn't do any good to the concept of "power curves" or "lopsided kit". What's the point of a strong early game champion if his window is that much shorter now?
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Targin=Heart of Gold reincarnate. Similar stats and you build it on everybody!
Can't speak for others but I also dislike this patch cause it basically completely neutered an entire role, jungle.
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This game is fucking broken l0l
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On November 23 2013 04:12 phyvo wrote:This just gets better and better. I want to liken it to the obamacare website launch even though I know it's not a fair comparison. Maybe if EUW goes down again.
This doesn't actually work. The animation plays for each minion, but it only gives gold for the ones you had stacks for.
Tested using Lux support with killing things at once with e.
The auto attack aoeing part of it might work, not sure about that part.
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On November 23 2013 02:38 LaM wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 02:35 canikizu wrote:On November 23 2013 02:20 LaM wrote:On November 23 2013 02:13 canikizu wrote:On November 23 2013 02:04 LaM wrote:On November 23 2013 02:01 canikizu wrote:
I guess it's just me, I don't think Targon is that absurd. It's the best item out of the 3 new ones, but it gives you what? 1 creep every 30 sec, which is like 25gold (1 melee minion) / 30sec = 8 gp10, and gives your lane partner another 10 gold/30sec.
So like, in 10 min, it gives you 500 gold, in 20 min it gives you 1000 gold. Since the item is way better than the other 2, either it needs a nerf or other 2 need a buff.
I think the reason support has way too much gold not because of the gold item, but the way assist "streak" right now. You get bonus gold for assist as long as you have 2 more assist than kill (for example, kill 0, assist 2,3,4,5,6). Moreover, death and kill doesn't break the "streak" With 4x Targon you can have 5k+ free gold for your team every game by 30 minutes. Easily. That's almost 8 dragons of gold, but instead of grouping to take an objective to get it - you got it for free while shoving and healing! With the old 4x Philosopher's Stone, you can have almost 4k gold for your team every game by 30 minutes too. That's how gp10 works. Hell, in s3, you can even stack gold item, so if your team has 4 philosopher stone and 4 kage pick, you have over 6k gold by 30 minutes by just being in the game, not even need to stick to your lane partners. Targon is simply the best one out of 3 new items, and Riot is gonna nerf it soon, or buff other 2. That's gonna be our new normal. On November 23 2013 02:06 Requizen wrote:
The only thing that I dislike about Assist Streaks is that it now dissuades supports from sacrificing themselves for the carry. Before, you'd be ok taking a death if it meant your carry got away alive, because you weren't worth as much and they needed to be alive to farm and keep BT stacks and what not. Now you can't eat that many deaths if you want to keep up your Streak. Death/Kill doesn't reset your "streak" "streak" is a vague way to say it, the way it works it as long you have more than 2 assist than kill, you will receive a bonus gold. That is why a 1/10/26 sona can have more gold than a 17/5/11 caitlyn despite caitlyn participating in more fight and having more kill. Lmao. There is no comparison between philo/kages (which pay for themselves after 20+ minutes and are only good on a couple of champs) and Targons (which pays for itself after 5 minutes, is good on literally everybody, and provides huge lane control through shove and sustain). They aren't going to buff the other 2. This won't be the new normal. It's going to be nerfed to the ground lol. When are we getting that diamond+ subreddit again. Holy fk. I only use your logic. You compare on the big scale of 4 players and 5k, which is as absurd as mine. You imagine a perfect scenario where you can get all the targon charges perfectly for all 4 players, which as we have seen on various stream and yesterday tournament's game, is impossible. Moreover, 5k+ in the system for 4 players at 30 minutes still mean that each player has 1200+ gold, which doesn't account for any big significant item. Even the Ruby Sightstone costs more than that. As I said, Targon is the best item out of 3, but the gold it gives doesn't account for even half or 1/4 of the items the support can get by 30 minutes. I still think the bigger issuse is the way assist bonus work. It's way to easy to get assist, there're some people report that they get 300+ gold for an assist (assist for ending a killing spree) If you score at at least 6 assist (and make your your kill is always lower than your assist) you make way more money than the targon's gold generation. I guess you can think whatever you want. You are completely wrong though and I don't think anybody agrees with you in the slightest that assist gold streaks are a bigger problem than Targon's right now. Targon's provides too much gold too quickly with stats that are too good for every champion in the game. It is going to be nerfed into the ground. Also, it really delegitimizes what you are trying to say when you are a Silver 1 player who in his past 10 games hasn't built a Targon's or Relic Shield yet and says stuff like 1200+ gold per player isn't important because it's not even a big item.
So now we settle back on higher division = better...
If you read all my post carefully. You will see that I constantly say Runic Shield/Targon is OP, but it's not game breaking beside its sustain. If both team decide to do the same strat then it's null. I did not, for once, dismiss the fact that Targon is OP.
I don't think you understand my point or choose to ignore it. If the game ends in 30 minutes and your support total gold is 12k, 14k, then the problem clearly is not RelicShield, since it onlly accounts for 1200-1500 gold, and the passive gold gain only accounts for 2880 gold. The biggest chunk of gold coming from new Assist Bonuses mechanic that can net you 1000 gold every 5v5 engage if you score assist on all of those.
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patch is not even a week old
already confirmed imba overpowered safe unbeatable item strats with no counterplay or weaknesses
like really
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Same thing happened at the beginning of Season 3.. I get discouraged by the changes and it makes me not want to play the game at all. I dont like having to worry about "oh you have to buy this one item cause it's OP as shit" i just feel like i'm playing a shitty version of the game I love. I know the game will stabilize and all I just don't like how massively they change the game every season.. just not used to that sort of game design I guess
more a problem with me than with the game i'll admit :D
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You get more gold supporting in a 2v1 lane than the jungler farming both jungles. Enough said.
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I don't recall feeling that way about start of season 3 but it's still only a few days and OFA is coming out at the very least :D
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On November 23 2013 05:11 FinestHour wrote:
patch is not even a week old
already confirmed imba overpowered safe unbeatable item strats with no counterplay or weaknesses
like really
Remember beginning of s3 black cleaver?
Pretty much same thing. Crowding out a lot of other stuff. Obviously the counterplay is to build moar targuns.
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On November 23 2013 05:04 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 05:03 Requizen wrote:On November 23 2013 05:00 FinestHour wrote:
its funny how many people enjoy being spoonfed how to play the game by riot games instead of figuring out something new for once More like "people want options on how to play the game, not chaos brought on by nothing making sense and one item being so overpowered that it breaks everything". targun more toxic than black cleaver. i think that says everything.
not its not more toxic
When BC came u couldnt play mage mid or top that was the reality, so it completely killed some champs, i went from gold 1 to gold 5 at the start of the season becasue i would play mage mid and got completely destroyed.
Now with targon you have 2-1-2 but you can play everything you want, it's about lane synergy, it's just a gold/5 item who is overpowered not an AD (BC,BotRK), AP (Zhonya season 2), tank item (warmog)
Edit : look at saint stream : rammus + amumu vs pantheon + taric
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Next game: both sides no jungle, leona kha vs riven annie lol
didnt ban annie becuse someone wanted nida ban
we won because their urgot would engage and everyone would focus me, id die or get out at low hp and then urgot would rage at everyone for focusing me hahaha
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