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zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
November 22 2013 20:26 GMT
#741
So Lulu's w giving speed is real fun. Nasus going 619 movespeed without ghost... uhhh.. okay.
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
November 22 2013 20:27 GMT
#742
On November 23 2013 05:18 trollbone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2013 05:04 wei2coolman wrote:
On November 23 2013 05:03 Requizen wrote:
On November 23 2013 05:00 FinestHour wrote:
its funny how many people enjoy being spoonfed how to play the game by riot games instead of figuring out something new for once

More like "people want options on how to play the game, not chaos brought on by nothing making sense and one item being so overpowered that it breaks everything".

targun more toxic than black cleaver.
i think that says everything.


not its not more toxic

When BC came u couldnt play mage mid or top that was the reality, so it completely killed some champs, i went from gold 1 to gold 5 at the start of the season becasue i would play mage mid and got completely destroyed.

Now with targon you have 2-1-2 but you can play everything you want, it's about lane synergy, it's just a gold/5 item who is overpowered not an AD (BC,BotRK), AP (Zhonya season 2), tank item (warmog)

Edit : look at saint stream : rammus + amumu vs pantheon + taric


hes actually clicking skills to level them what
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
November 22 2013 20:27 GMT
#743
On November 23 2013 05:15 mordek wrote:
I don't recall feeling that way about start of season 3 but it's still only a few days and OFA is coming out at the very least :D

Don't you remember the start of S3 with cleaver fever and tank olaf 1v5ing on a regular basis?
Glorious SEA doto
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
November 22 2013 20:28 GMT
#744
This is honestly so fun playing league of legends right now, just 2v2 lane everywhere dont need to worry about a jungler ganking. Sad it is probably going to get changed soon
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-22 20:31:49
November 22 2013 20:30 GMT
#745
On November 23 2013 05:18 trollbone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2013 05:04 wei2coolman wrote:
On November 23 2013 05:03 Requizen wrote:
On November 23 2013 05:00 FinestHour wrote:
its funny how many people enjoy being spoonfed how to play the game by riot games instead of figuring out something new for once

More like "people want options on how to play the game, not chaos brought on by nothing making sense and one item being so overpowered that it breaks everything".

targun more toxic than black cleaver.
i think that says everything.


not its not more toxic

When BC came u couldnt play mage mid or top that was the reality, so it completely killed some champs, i went from gold 1 to gold 5 at the start of the season becasue i would play mage mid and got completely destroyed.

Now with targon you have 2-1-2 but you can play everything you want, it's about lane synergy, it's just a gold/5 item who is overpowered not an AD (BC,BotRK), AP (Zhonya season 2), tank item (warmog)

Edit : look at saint stream : rammus + amumu vs pantheon + taric

Mage mid was unpopular in s3 until jayce and khaziks ate the fattest fucking nerfs. Not because of the insanity that was blackcleaver. Bc just exacerbated the problem.
On November 23 2013 05:27 FinestHour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2013 05:18 trollbone wrote:
On November 23 2013 05:04 wei2coolman wrote:
On November 23 2013 05:03 Requizen wrote:
On November 23 2013 05:00 FinestHour wrote:
its funny how many people enjoy being spoonfed how to play the game by riot games instead of figuring out something new for once

More like "people want options on how to play the game, not chaos brought on by nothing making sense and one item being so overpowered that it breaks everything".

targun more toxic than black cleaver.
i think that says everything.


not its not more toxic

When BC came u couldnt play mage mid or top that was the reality, so it completely killed some champs, i went from gold 1 to gold 5 at the start of the season becasue i would play mage mid and got completely destroyed.

Now with targon you have 2-1-2 but you can play everything you want, it's about lane synergy, it's just a gold/5 item who is overpowered not an AD (BC,BotRK), AP (Zhonya season 2), tank item (warmog)

Edit : look at saint stream : rammus + amumu vs pantheon + taric


hes actually clicking skills to level them what

He's always done that. It's habit to show stream viewers what he's leveling up.
liftlift > tsm
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
November 22 2013 20:30 GMT
#746
I'm just playing normals to try and figure out the madness. You guys are being so negative It's still so early. There's a reason this the preseason and Season 4 hasn't officially began yet.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-22 20:31:45
November 22 2013 20:31 GMT
#747
Targon's consumes one stack and behaves like it used 13 stacks if you kill 13 minions at once. Deathcap Sion or other high AP AoE burst spell meta?

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1r7zhk/targons_brace_if_you_kill_more_then_one_minion_at/
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
November 22 2013 20:32 GMT
#748
On November 23 2013 05:27 FinestHour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2013 05:18 trollbone wrote:
On November 23 2013 05:04 wei2coolman wrote:
On November 23 2013 05:03 Requizen wrote:
On November 23 2013 05:00 FinestHour wrote:
its funny how many people enjoy being spoonfed how to play the game by riot games instead of figuring out something new for once

More like "people want options on how to play the game, not chaos brought on by nothing making sense and one item being so overpowered that it breaks everything".

targun more toxic than black cleaver.
i think that says everything.


not its not more toxic

When BC came u couldnt play mage mid or top that was the reality, so it completely killed some champs, i went from gold 1 to gold 5 at the start of the season becasue i would play mage mid and got completely destroyed.

Now with targon you have 2-1-2 but you can play everything you want, it's about lane synergy, it's just a gold/5 item who is overpowered not an AD (BC,BotRK), AP (Zhonya season 2), tank item (warmog)

Edit : look at saint stream : rammus + amumu vs pantheon + taric


hes actually clicking skills to level them what

Saint always clicks. Allegedly it was to show what he leveled back in the day to streamers.
Freeeeeeedom
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
November 22 2013 20:32 GMT
#749
On November 23 2013 05:27 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2013 05:15 mordek wrote:
I don't recall feeling that way about start of season 3 but it's still only a few days and OFA is coming out at the very least :D

Don't you remember the start of S3 with cleaver fever and tank olaf 1v5ing on a regular basis?

No I do remember that. It's just those were like issues that were easily understood I suppose? Maybe the feeling is now more a feeling of being lost. Which is to be expected but it's just very hard to tell what's going on and if what your doing is good, bad, or anything else.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6430 Posts
November 22 2013 20:35 GMT
#750
Is wriggles any good?
trollbone
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
France1905 Posts
November 22 2013 20:38 GMT
#751
jayce and kaz are just two champs, BC brought talon,pant,xin,wukong,lee sin, etc... mid

we are not talking about competitve play if jayce an kaz were banned, u could go every mage mid
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-22 20:49:15
November 22 2013 20:43 GMT
#752
Well on the other hand the BC era made everyone jump on the OP train and as such play AD champions mid. You never ever saw that in s2 and I think even after BC nerfs it remained somewhat in the sense that the OP period helped ingrain the idea of putting AD/physical champions in the mid lane, not only competitively (even there you barely saw it, cf. Jayce always top when his level 2 all-in went from a won trade to a guaranteed first blood vs squishies that dwelt mid).

If we can somehow retain the possibility of not needing the jungler (rather than the jungler being a liability as it is now), then this OP period will have shown people what you can do and made accepting it smoother. I don't exactly mind that. But I take no pleasure from the wild testing going on right now because it's being spoonfed gold, squished gold and level gaps, and it definitely doesn't feel rewarding to play.
You play better? Too bad, you aren't exactly ahead.
You're being outplayed? No incentive to try too hard, you'll follow closely anyway.

I know. Some people like that. But as much as I would have preferred to retain the choice to sacrifice some itemisation for more vision, I enjoy myself more thinking I'm doing things right and being rewarded for it, than basically playing pre-30 Dominion every game.


Edit: Wukong, Pantheon and Talon are better mid anyway (Wukong arguably had a better time farming top before the wriggles' nerf) due to either their kit (assassin) or their playstyle (heavy roaming).

Qtpie 13-5-18 on his stream, after 32 minutes (kills were pretty close overall, ~40-33? same number of towers), he has 73 cs, no Targon, and full item build (BC-LW-Randuin's-Hydra-Tabi-SV).
This gold flow is just fucking dumb...
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
November 22 2013 20:46 GMT
#753
More Targon's Brace sillyness. GG Zac.
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1r8pfh/targons_brace_is_op_against_zac/
Prog
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom1470 Posts
November 22 2013 20:48 GMT
#754
On November 23 2013 05:46 Gahlo wrote:
More Targon's Brace sillyness. GG Zac.
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1r8pfh/targons_brace_is_op_against_zac/


Sometimes it makes you wonder whether they do anything on the testservers...
YouGotNothin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States907 Posts
November 22 2013 20:50 GMT
#755
Pre-season is the most fun time to play LoL. Anyone complaining about all the changes after only 2 days sounds like some 90 year old man to me. Everyone should know its going to settle down in like a month and everything will feel normal. Now go out there, try some new shit, and figure out whats good again, how is that not fun!
I got nothin'...
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
November 22 2013 21:00 GMT
#756
On November 23 2013 05:50 YouGotNothin wrote:
Pre-season is the most fun time to play LoL. Anyone complaining about all the changes after only 2 days sounds like some 90 year old man to me. Everyone should know its going to settle down in like a month and everything will feel normal. Now go out there, try some new shit, and figure out whats good again, how is that not fun!


Pretty much, but TL members are some of the most bitter people you'll ever meet. Could you imagine Alaric having fun while playing? I sure can't.

Shitpost aside, once Targon is nerfed I'm curious to see if 2-1-2 lanes are here to stay anyways, which would be a cool mixup to 1-1-2 + jungle every single game. I've always envied dota 2 having more fluid laning choices, so much so that even expert spectators aren't 100% sure every single game.
Hey! How you doin'?
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
November 22 2013 21:03 GMT
#757
That's only because I never win, come on.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
November 22 2013 21:03 GMT
#758
On November 23 2013 05:48 Prog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2013 05:46 Gahlo wrote:
More Targon's Brace sillyness. GG Zac.
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1r8pfh/targons_brace_is_op_against_zac/


Sometimes it makes you wonder whether they do anything on the testservers...


It's funny, you've been able to smite jax blobs for awhile now so this is not surprising.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
November 22 2013 21:04 GMT
#759
It's slightly amusing that one of my last games before the patch I played a 2v1 top because our jungler forgot smite and we both agreed it sounded like fun. Little did I know.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Ghost-z
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1291 Posts
November 22 2013 21:07 GMT
#760
They just need to remove assist streaks and drop the base gold flow back to 13 per 10 like it used to be. Then also nerf Targon's and everything will be fine.
Fairy Tales when you're a child begin with "Once upon a time" and when you're an adult begin, "If elected I promise..."
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