[Patch 3.14] PreSeason 4 General Discussion - Page 149

On December 05 2013 06:29 ZeromuS wrote:


If by financial security you mean hoping to never fall out of the LCS system.

BW in the past, to a certain extent SC2 did and still does offer security (albeit to a smaller number of people). DotA. WC3 (for some players).

What you seem to not be realising is that RIOT is a closed system. You are very secure when you are in it, but only while you are in it. The other esports titles are much more open you can be secure without being directly in the system via team sponsorships etc.

Only a few LCS teams could operate if they fell out of LCS and only due to their strong brand (TSM as an example) much the same way EG can make Fighting Games financially stable for people like Jwonggg.

On December 05 2013 06:31 ZeromuS wrote:


Damage control man. Old contract -- the same line was used when the fiasco surrounding teams being limited to LoL only if they had a LoL team. Remember?

On December 05 2013 06:32 Takkara wrote:


And what does SV gain by running "propaganda" for Riot?

On December 05 2013 06:30 Nos- wrote:

Either people are actually up in arms about this or they're just bad at presenting their real problem with this clause as a fear of a slippery slope. Yango put it nicely that it's mainly that Riot has virtually total control over the terms of said contract while the players have almost no leverage/say in the matter.

On December 05 2013 06:33 ZeromuS wrote:


I'm not saying it doesnt work. I am saying League isnt the first and only game to have a stable system surrounding it. To use that as an excuse to justify a monopoly is also not the best because shit like this happens in monopolies.

On December 05 2013 06:33 Amethyst21 wrote:


Everyone is a shill for RIOT! Even players not playing in the LCS! Even outspoken players like Saint! </conspiracy>

On December 05 2013 06:35 NotYango wrote:
I'm calling bullshit on Saint calling that an old contract.

Remember Hearthstone didn't exist yet at the beginning of the LCS season. It wasn't even publicly announced until March of this year and was not in any form of closed beta until August. How old can a contract that explicitly bars players from playing Hearthstone if nobody was even playing Hearthstone at all until August.

On December 05 2013 06:35 Lord Tolkien wrote:

Is this TL or /r/conspiracy.

On December 05 2013 06:35 NotYango wrote:
I'm calling bullshit on Saint calling that an old contract.

Remember Hearthstone didn't exist yet at the beginning of the LCS season. It wasn't even publicly announced until March of this year and was not in any form of closed beta until August. How old can a contract that explicitly bars players from playing Hearthstone if nobody was even playing Hearthstone at all until August.

On December 05 2013 06:32 nojitosunrise wrote:

Riot's system is a proven system. Look at MTG's pro circuit which is completely controlled by wizards of the coast. It works and it doesn't suffer many of the problems that "eSports" does.

On December 05 2013 06:37 Fusilero wrote:

I should start an esports infowars.net, I can go on talk shows screaming the website name and how the esports illuminati is out to hurt esports.

On December 05 2013 06:37 Takkara wrote:


He didn't mean old as in from a previous season. He likely meant "old" as in "a previous draft of the current contract". But again, without more information from Riot or other players or Saint, we cannot know for sure what he means. One thing is for sure though, SV is anything but a corporate shill. Puh-leeze.

On December 05 2013 03:33 Amethyst21 wrote:
Soo...if RIOT catches oh, say...Bjergsen streaming a game of Hearthstone they're going to ban him from the LCS? Yup, I can foresee that being a popular move, lol. Maybe you could remove say, Daydreaming and people won't care but, any of the players on a top team? LOL, I'm pretty sure the players have the power there. In fact if RIOT basically ever tried to enforce this, they'd probably just destroy their competitive scene in one fell swoop. What an absurdly dumb thing to put in.

There is no way this doesn't get retracted in less than like 12 hours. Impossible to enforce, hugely against the community will, etc

I predict a 'this was only a preliminary contract that was leaked and this provision was removed upon consulting with our LCS players and teams'

On December 05 2013 06:40 PrinceXizor wrote:

well SV's comment contradicts doublelifts. So we don't really know what is current.

On December 05 2013 06:32 nojitosunrise wrote:

Riot's system is a proven system. Look at MTG's pro circuit which is completely controlled by wizards of the coast. It works and it doesn't suffer many of the problems that "eSports" does.

On December 05 2013 06:35 SagaZ wrote:

Do you honestly think a team like TSM, who pull thousands of viewers constantly and are one of the maketable video game players in the world have no leverage in the matter?
VES has no leverage, the big teams like tsm, clg, crs do, LCS cannot exist without them and they know it.

On December 05 2013 06:38 mr_tolkien wrote:

StarCity opens are a pretty big part of the cake too though.