EPT[Patch 3.14] PreSeason 4 General Discussion - Page 147
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nojitosunrise
United States6188 Posts
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
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Takkara
United States2503 Posts
On December 05 2013 05:54 turdburgler wrote: i think the only thing riot will change after this poopfest is tighter rules on players tweeting about rules Haha, yeah, in some (most?) pro-leagues, players speaking out against the rules would result in significant fines. | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13423 Posts
On December 05 2013 05:57 Takkara wrote: Haha, yeah, in some (most?) pro-leagues, players speaking out against the rules would result in significant fines. Players still speak out anonymously | ||
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
Is it a big deal? Yes, but I feel like people are making more of a deal out of it than it should be. I can understand why they don't want certain games to be shown during a LoL stream (dota 2, Blizzard's Moba or WoW, gambling/poker sites, etc.) but by in large the list is pretty small, and of all those games listed, the only real big ones are Hearthstone (due to how simple/fast most of it's games are) and WoW (you can just afk in WoW in a safe zone when LoL queue pops). | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On December 05 2013 06:01 Kinie wrote: So... Basically the players can't be playing various high-profile games (for example, Hearthstone) while waiting for LoL queue to pop without changing their stream location from LoL to whatever game they're playing on Twitch/uStream/whatever. Is it a big deal? Yes, but I feel like people are making more of a deal out of it than it should be. I can understand why they don't want certain games to be shown during a LoL stream (dota 2, Blizzard's Moba or WoW, gambling/poker sites, etc.) but by in large the list is pretty small, and of all those games listed, the only real big ones are Hearthstone (due to how simple/fast most of it's games are) and WoW (you can just afk in WoW in a safe zone when LoL queue pops). No it includes streaming other games even on their own. not just in queue. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
OnGamers to get 5000 "anonymous statements" in the near future. OnGamers are the real winners here, the clicks are out of control. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On December 05 2013 05:57 Takkara wrote: Haha, yeah, in some (most?) pro-leagues, players speaking out against the rules would result in significant fines. In large part because the players bargain for the rules as part of a union, and since the union must present a unified front for the purposes of maximizing their bargaining position the players themselves agree not to make inflammatory comments. The union themselves would fine players for that sort of disruption. Coaches who speak out against the rules are NOT part of the players unions and are fined by the organizations separately. Note how the non-existence of a players union makes comparisons to other pro-leagues completely irrelevent. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12084 Posts
On December 05 2013 06:02 Sn0_Man wrote: In large part because the players bargain for the rules as part of a union, and since the union must present a unified front for the purposes of maximizing their bargaining position the players themselves agree not to make inflammatory comments. The union themselves would fine players for that sort of disruption. Coaches who speak out against the rules are NOT part of the players unions and are fined by the organizations separately. Note how the non-existence of a players union makes comparisons to other pro-leagues completely irrelevent. The great 2012-2013 NHL lockout strained my hockey fix. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
On December 05 2013 06:01 PrinceXizor wrote: No it includes streaming other games even on their own. not just in queue. Really? I don't see anything in the document on OnGamers that says something like that. And if they are going to limit/prevent players from streaming non-LoL games, even when they set their stream up as like, "Famous LoL player playing New Game X, come watch!" under New Game X section on Twitch, then THAT is dumb. Edit: re-reading some popular posts in /r/LoL to find out more about this particular issue. One says (where it's confirmed by Slasher) that they are disallowing players from streaming games on that list outright, even if you catalog it on Twitch as that game. | ||
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chalice
United States1945 Posts
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remedium
United States939 Posts
On December 05 2013 06:05 turdburgler wrote: so did they ever fix relic shield to be melee attacks only? about to play first game on thresh in a while and kinda need an answer ;D It says melee basic attacks only in the item description. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On December 05 2013 06:06 Kinie wrote: Really? I don't see anything in the document on OnGamers that says something like that. And if they are going to limit/prevent players from streaming non-LoL games, even when they set their stream up as like, "Famous LoL player playing New Game X, come watch!" under New Game X section on Twitch, then THAT is dumb. its been updated. | ||
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nojitosunrise
United States6188 Posts
On December 05 2013 06:06 Kinie wrote: Really? I don't see anything in the document on OnGamers that says something like that. And if they are going to limit/prevent players from streaming non-LoL games, even when they set their stream up as like, "Famous LoL player playing New Game X, come watch!" under New Game X section on Twitch, then THAT is dumb. it's not in the document posted, the most damning portion is text copied from Slasher's source. You can read it in the update portion. | ||
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Takkara
United States2503 Posts
On December 05 2013 06:02 Sn0_Man wrote: In large part because the players bargain for the rules as part of a union, and since the union must present a unified front for the purposes of maximizing their bargaining position the players themselves agree not to make inflammatory comments. The union themselves would fine players for that sort of disruption. Coaches who speak out against the rules are NOT part of the players unions and are fined by the organizations separately. Note how the non-existence of a players union makes comparisons to other pro-leagues completely irrelevent. You're wrong that it makes the comparisons "completely irrelevant". All comparisons of esports leagues to professional sports leagues are simply imperfect. Similarly, comparing individual sports leagues to other sports leagues is likewise imperfect. Nothing is exactly like something else, so no comparison ever holds up completely. The reference to penalties from other sports leagues was meant to provide context and an example of how Riot may implement what the quoted post talked about. | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
I think I find myself in the minority... but I don't care. The primary reason is that they're being paid by Riot. If they were just normal tournaments then I'd think some clause that states you can't stream any of those games or you'll be barred from the tournament would be nutso and ridiculous. As it is, Riot is paying these guys a salary and obviously advertising for rival games isn't in their best interest. I don't like it; but it's not a big deal as it stands and I understand their reasoning. People play games without streaming them all the time... the majority of gamers do it that way. I think the LoL pros can handle it too. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
General oddone still has his civilization V haha. | ||
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Haiq343
United States2548 Posts
On December 05 2013 06:06 chalice wrote: the only things to really take away from all of this is that riot likely sees blizzard's moba as a legitimate threat and that dota fans still care an awful lot about riot games and league of legends. Come on with the dota stuff. Of course they care, if you had any awareness of the history of Riot's actions regarding Dota (particularly when LoL began as a thing) you'd understand why there's significant residual bitterness. It was earned and is not a "my dad could beat up your dad" type jealousy. What bothers me the most about the change is that LoL benefited so tremendously from a perfect storm of steaming & community involvement that it is incredibly short-sighted to put this kind of strain on that relationship. Total control is the direction Riot has been taking LoL for some time now so it's not a great shock, but it is unfortunate. And frankly exploitative given the pittance they pay pros & destruction of most alternative tournaments/within LoL revenue sources. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On December 05 2013 06:14 AsnSensation wrote: Hmm I see where Riot is coming from but it's a bit weird that Pros won't even be able to stream hearthstone for Q times. General oddone still has his civilization V haha. Qtpie got his locodoco fuelled FFX. They are winning this debacle as well. | ||
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