EPT[Patch 3.14] PreSeason 4 General Discussion - Page 134
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TheLink
Australia2725 Posts
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
It seems like most champs don't mind at least the attack speed or cdr to get there. | ||
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Ghost-z
United States1291 Posts
On December 05 2013 01:39 Shikyo wrote: It's hilarious. Stack up armor -> Your whole team has 50 more armor and the whole enemy team 80 less armor. The mass armor(450-500) Taric could probably just press R and W and do nothing but basic attacks and watch his team decimate anyway. Disagree, you want to spam all your skills on minions so that your ult is instantly back up right after using it. He has mana issues even with Athenes. You play a different style of taric. His ult is already a fairly low cool down even before cdr. Rather than spam on minions I play more passive and wait for a good time to all-in. This favors a larger mana pool over regen as well as in teamfights I don't see myself going 100-0 on mana with my build. But if you want to play push>push>push>tower dive style then you will need mana regen. | ||
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EquilasH
Denmark2142 Posts
On December 05 2013 01:48 wei2coolman wrote: I would say that would be true if she reached it at the same point everyone else did. The fact is her pre6 is so rough that her gunblade sorc shoes item timing arrives at when everyone else is at their 2 item timing. It's not like fizz where you only need lichbane to be relevant all game. If she doesn't hit gunblade timing early enough, she's behind all the way til 4 to 5 item timing. You really shouldn't be far behind as Akali mid - in most matchups you'll get a few less cs pre-6 (maybe be behind 20-30 cs if things are REALLY bad) and post-6 you should either start winning the cs war or go even in most matchups. I don't know if you play Akali on a regular basis but you seem to be underestimating her farming capabilities by a lot. | ||
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Ghost-z
United States1291 Posts
On December 05 2013 01:52 TheLink wrote: So is 0/30/0 standard now for a lot of tanks? I'm thinking specifically Shen at the moment. I like 0-27-3 better for the MS boost or 0-26-4 for the extra trinket range included. | ||
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EquilasH
Denmark2142 Posts
On December 05 2013 01:52 TheLink wrote: So is 0/30/0 standard now for a lot of tanks? I'm thinking specifically Shen at the moment. In all cases I'd get the AD from offense as Shen and I can't really think of a tank that would not get at least some points in utility OR the 9 in offense. Edit: Lurker! | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On December 05 2013 01:55 Ghost-z wrote: You play a different style of taric. His ult is already a fairly low cool down even before cdr. Rather than spam on minions I play more passive and wait for a good time to all-in. This favors a larger mana pool over regen as well as in teamfights I don't see myself going 100-0 on mana with my build. But if you want to play push>push>push>tower dive style then you will need mana regen. 75s. By utilizing his passive, you might even be able to use 2 ults in a single teamfight, although the enemies will likely die before that. I of course favor a larger mana pool as well, but which MR item gives a good mana pool? It doesn't exist. Spirit Visage is the other choice but personally I feel like mana is more important. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On December 05 2013 01:56 EquilasH wrote: You really shouldn't be far behind as Akali mid - in most matchups you'll get a few less cs pre-6 (maybe be behind 20-30 cs if things are REALLY bad) and post-6 you should either start winning the cs war or go even in most matchups. I don't know if you play Akali on a regular basis but you seem to be underestimating her farming capabilities by a lot. What farming capabilities? You don't pick up E til lvl4, maybe 3, but it's a shit 1 ptr. And if you're using E in lane you have no energy to harass. Your constantly forced to hover under your turret, taking pot shots all game. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On December 05 2013 00:31 Shikyo wrote: I was a pioneer of permaheal. Now he can just dunk the enemy ADC in 2 hits and stun every 3s while building full tank. I wonder if his build could fit in a Muramana... yeah because nobody ever thought of perma heal taric before............... | ||
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Ghost-z
United States1291 Posts
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On December 05 2013 01:53 mordek wrote: Is expose weakness good for one point in Offense? I feel like it's strong but I'm bad. It seems like most champs don't mind at least the attack speed or cdr to get there. Expose Weakness is pretty batshit overpowered for being 5 points into the offense tree. It A - affects your own damage (LoL Wiki is wrong about this and this is really easy to test) B - stacks from multiple champions and C - Works on minions and jungle monsters On a lot of "tank" champions I've been looking at like 5/25/0 with just CDR and Expose Weakness in offense. 0/28/2 just grabbing movespeed in Utility I think is also pretty strong though, especially if you're planning on building 40% CDR from items. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35173 Posts
On December 05 2013 01:35 obesechicken13 wrote: I don't know if Riot was aware how much they were buffing Taric this season. I think they were, and they really worried he'd be weak in the current patch where supports get more gold because they heard "Taric scales poorly into late game." He did, but they gave him a lot of cooldown and armor pen for free this patch. On another note, does anyone else think that the game has had a negative power creep since s2? Rammus is really strong right now, by winrate. (probably partly because he's simple to play). I'm looking at the patch notes and at one point Rammus had more armor on his W and a longer Q, but he also got more movement speed on Q initially, and some mana and QoL changes. I'm wondering how strong he would be if they reverted all the changes they made to Rammus since 1.0.0.132 http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Rammus/Background Then again, Anivia hasn't been changed in years and her win rate has not changed afaik. They're aware. A few days after the patch somebody was crying in the official GD about how Janna's WR was dropping and Taric's was skyrocketing. Morello said they were aware of the trend and would act accordingly if it kept going. These are the current nerfs to him on the PBE.. + Show Spoiler + Taric Shatter ( W ) armor reduction ratio reduced to .05 from .1 of Taric's armor Shatter ( W ) base armor reduction reduced to 5/10/15/20/25 from 10/15/20/25/30 On December 05 2013 02:39 Parnage wrote: http://www.ongamers.com/articles/riot-season-4-lcs-contracts-stipulate-players-cannot-stream-dota-2-blizzard-games/1100-261/ Whelp..that's a tad retarded. Please tell me this is incorrect information. Someone is just messing with us, because I can't believe Riot is this stupid. I mean next you'll tell me they'd put in some sort of money gaining item good enough to remove jungle.. I don't see the issue. | ||
AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On December 05 2013 02:39 Parnage wrote: http://www.ongamers.com/articles/riot-season-4-lcs-contracts-stipulate-players-cannot-stream-dota-2-blizzard-games/1100-261/ Whelp..that's a tad retarded. Please tell me this is incorrect information. Someone is just messing with us, because I can't believe Riot is this stupid. I mean next you'll tell me they'd put in some sort of money gaining item good enough to remove jungle.. If true, this will be the thing that makes me hop on the Riot hate train. wtf is this | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On December 05 2013 02:43 AsmodeusXI wrote: If true, this will be the thing that makes me hop on the Riot hate train. wtf is this Yeah, I'm right their with you. I kinda get Dota because they don't want them promoting their main competitor, but fucking Hearthstone? Really? That's some grade A bullshit. | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
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AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On December 05 2013 02:44 onlywonderboy wrote: Yeah, I'm right their with you. I kinda get Dota because they don't want them playing their main competitor, but fucking Hearthstone? Really? That's some grade A bullshit. I don't even get restricting the streams to be honest. Streams are not Riot property nor should they be. If the TEAMS want to impose some guidelines for their players, that's one thing, but having to restrict their own content just to be a part of the professional scene? That's some shit. I know that Riot is giving them a salary but this is approaching freedom of speech violations for these streamers who are, as streamers, entertainers. ugh fuk | ||
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