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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On December 04 2013 00:24 onlywonderboy wrote: So we're going to see Rengar played again the way he was at IPL5? Seems appropriate since we just passed the one year anniversary. RIP IPL Westrice/OnlyRango's hydra assassin rango doesn't seem to be catching on while this sunfire > visage rango seems to be gaining lots of steam in Asia. So we are going back to the invincible eternally healing split push rango yes. At least he won't be insta killing everyone on top of it. http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1rzkq5/kev1n_playing_with_atn_for_battle_of_the_atlantic/ Kev1n to play for atn in battle of atlantic. Also that kev1n may be a teenage girl in reality. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On December 04 2013 00:26 Fusilero wrote: Westrice/OnlyRango's hydra assassin rango doesn't seem to be catching on while this sunfire > visage rango seems to be gaining lots of steam in Asia. So we are going back to the invincible eternally healing split push rango yes. At least he won't be insta killing everyone on top of it. http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1rzkq5/kev1n_playing_with_atn_for_battle_of_the_atlantic/ Kev1n to play for atn in battle of atlantic. Also that kev1n may be a teenage girl in reality. No, but between him, Shyvana, and Renekton I'm not sure we will see many champs with energy, let alone mana, in the top lane. | ||
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ExoFun
Netherlands2041 Posts
On December 04 2013 00:26 Fusilero wrote: Westrice/OnlyRango's hydra assassin rango doesn't seem to be catching on while this sunfire > visage rango seems to be gaining lots of steam in Asia. So we are going back to the invincible eternally healing split push rango yes. At least he won't be insta killing everyone on top of it. http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1rzkq5/kev1n_playing_with_atn_for_battle_of_the_atlantic/ Kev1n to play for atn in battle of atlantic. Also that kev1n may be a teenage girl in reality. Kev1n won't sign a contract yet with aTn, so he got other offers from other teams? The only open spot is from the unknown LD line up. | ||
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On December 04 2013 00:33 cLutZ wrote: No, but between him, Shyvana, and Renekton I'm not sure we will see many champs with energy, let alone mana, in the top lane. Resource management is anti-fun, slam all the buttons yo. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
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Dusty
United States3359 Posts
On December 04 2013 00:26 Fusilero wrote: Westrice/OnlyRango's hydra assassin rango doesn't seem to be catching on while this sunfire > visage rango seems to be gaining lots of steam in Asia. So we are going back to the invincible eternally healing split push rango yes. At least he won't be insta killing everyone on top of it. http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1rzkq5/kev1n_playing_with_atn_for_battle_of_the_atlantic/ Kev1n to play for atn in battle of atlantic. Also that kev1n may be a teenage girl in reality. Please never mention OnlyRengar, that guy is a trashcan compared to Ryan Choi, that guy is a Rengar god. And he didn't even invent anything, he just came out of nowhere and got a lot of attention for some reason. Also Wingsofdeath is a really good rengar but not as good as Ryan Choi. Way better than only trashgar tho | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On December 04 2013 01:14 onlywonderboy wrote: So are these just the Season 4 changes bringing him back into prominence or would have tank Rengar been strong for a while now? Probably not, sunfire into visage tank rango started during the 3.13 patch in Asian tournaments so it is likely unrelated to s4 changes | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
On December 04 2013 01:14 onlywonderboy wrote: So are these just the Season 4 changes bringing him back into prominence or would have tank Rengar been strong for a while now? No, people just sacked up and decided to play him again. League of Cockroaches. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
It's also harder to deal with his ult when trying to catch him since pinks are harder to use that way and "oracle" is available later. It's just that tanky Rengar isn't necessarily as strong in lane as Renekton (especially 1v2) and he doesn't have the facetanking/initiation potential of Shyvana, nor the inherent AoE damage she and Renek bring even when they just zone people. As an aside, the people I stack with are usually rather bad (not necessary when it comes to clicks and stuff, I'm bad at that too; but their knowledge, ability to follow calls, map movement, vision management, etc. are lacking, and so is their ability to determine their own role in a teamfight) and I've been worsening myself as a result of playing less and not tryharding (plus I suck at carrying, my playstyle is more supportive so unless one of them step up I fall short myself). My winrate has prob dropped down to 33% or something along these lines (usually around 53% in normals), and in the few victories we'd had Malpite was prominently featured, w/o being a single person's doing. Makes me wonder about the reason. Malph's always been strong at the silver level where most of them probably are, and his ult is one of the best tools to draw attention, both to tell them "stop screwing around when we say we go in" and to make the enemy focus you. On the other hand hard initiation is good both against splitpush comps that seem to become pretty popular lately, and to push inner turrets and convert a lead into a win in the midgame, before the enemy team gets back to even thanks to all that free gold. Think if they keep making me jungle I'll either shoot for strong scaling champions (Shyvana, Mundo, etc.) who benefit from getting rich whatever happens, or junglers on whom I can abuse the midgame hard if I build damage (so Nocturne or Udyr with BotRK, Jarvan with Hydra, etc. had a J4 game vs 4 AD champs, I could tank 1v4 for ~7-8s but the rest of the team never played around it and I built 0 damage so past midgame I wasn't enough). I def. don't think I could use something like Maokai or Rammus because I wouldn't be able to get enough kills early on, not to smash in the midgame, and they don't farm nor scale well enough to make it worth it. Rammus' really good at diving or hard-initiating when he has Flash, though... I'm not sure which damage item I'd rush on Vi though. Golem-tabi into Triforce, peppered with an hexdrinker if they have an heavy magical threat? | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On December 03 2013 19:54 JazzVortical wrote: Every game in Korean Solo queue right now has a top lane Rengar, W Max then E. First buy: Sunfire Cape then Spirit Visage. Pushes all day. Seems obnoxious as fuck to play against. Season 2 rengar back in full force. Funny how balancing works now. | ||
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Dusty
United States3359 Posts
On December 04 2013 01:56 Gahlo wrote: No, people just sacked up and decided to play him again. League of Cockroaches. that's probably just you making a joke but regardless, I think I can provide an explanation as to why Rengar got popular all of a sudden: Rengar, with full offense and damage items, does a lot of damage but is very squishy, and thus has a very risky laning phase. That style would be a very risky gamble to take in pro play. When you build him tanky and just try to farm the lane out, you get a strong scaling pick-bot (he creates picks every minute and a half with his ultimate) that can teamfight and splitpush and assassinate who can always go even in lane or win the lane. This style of play isn't (or wasn't, I suppose) popular because its not very intuitive. Also I think when full-tank Rengar (aka the CaoMei IPL5 5000 hp Rengar style) was first popular SV and Sunfire weren't as strong. However none of this is fact, just theory. + Show Spoiler + i'm really bored while waiting for my damn ups package to come | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On December 04 2013 01:45 Fusilero wrote: Probably not, sunfire into visage tank rango started during the 3.13 patch in Asian tournaments so it is likely unrelated to s4 changes What do you do after that? Randuin's Omen and just tanky stuff? Or do you go with like Brutalizer and into some more damage? Trinity Force or Last Whisper? | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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Dusty
United States3359 Posts
On December 04 2013 02:15 Shikyo wrote: What do you do after that? Randuin's Omen and just tanky stuff? Or do you go with like Brutalizer and into some more damage? Trinity Force or Last Whisper? from what I see some prefer tanky (omen as you stated, other boring tank items) but a lot like stuff such as trinity/ie/hydra/bc/lw, some 2 item combo of those | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On December 04 2013 02:09 Dusty wrote: that's probably just you making a joke but regardless, I think I can provide an explanation as to why Rengar got popular all of a sudden: Rengar, with full offense and damage items, does a lot of damage but is very squishy, and thus has a very risky laning phase. That style would be a very risky gamble to take in pro play. When you build him tanky and just try to farm the lane out, you get a strong scaling pick-bot (he creates picks every minute and a half with his ultimate) that can teamfight and splitpush and assassinate who can always go even in lane or win the lane. This style of play isn't (or wasn't, I suppose) popular because its not very intuitive. Also I think when full-tank Rengar (aka the CaoMei IPL5 5000 hp Rengar style) was first popular SV and Sunfire weren't as strong. However none of this is fact, just theory. + Show Spoiler + i'm really bored while waiting for my damn ups package to come Koreans are just using him as a Shyvana and Renekton softcounter (to mild success). It works differently for both. His earlygame 1-4 is a bit stronger 1v1, and is about the same to slightly weaker 2v1. Then he kinda gets outscaled 5-9, and finally catches up about halfway through your second item. Particularly against Shyvana he can just outsustain her for splitpushing purposes, and if she leaves its a dead tower. The reason he is popular, is because no other champ can really hold up against those two right now. Jax has a place (I think) as do Kennen/Rumble/Shen/Vlad/Riven, but its probably safer to pick Rengar because he has that infinite sustain without Vlad's crappy earlygame. On December 04 2013 02:28 Dusty wrote: from what I see some prefer tanky (omen as you stated, other boring tank items) but a lot like stuff such as trinity/ie/hydra/bc/lw, some 2 item combo of those In WE/OMG, OMG/Blaze, and Frost/IG it was the core tank stats into TF (if even/ahead) else more tank if behind (but they seem to lose before that). | ||
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chalice
United States1945 Posts
On December 04 2013 02:15 Shikyo wrote: What do you do after that? Randuin's Omen and just tanky stuff? Or do you go with like Brutalizer and into some more damage? Trinity Force or Last Whisper? in OGN flame or shy went with triforce and recently someone in iem/wcg picked up ghostblade | ||
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