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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
I expected them to soften the clamping, and give you maybe 2-3 tiers of leeway. For reference that's about how much I dropped after losing something like 17/20 games. Removing clamping entirely just allows you to streak your way into a league, and if you're bad enough to drop a whole league, you wouldn't have belonged in that upper league to begin with, at almost any point in time unless you took a fucking huge break. Oh Riot, you cater to casuals | ||
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canikizu
4860 Posts
On November 06 2013 19:12 Amui wrote: Reading over the league system update, I feel like Riot went WAY too far in the other direction in terms of leniency. I expected them to soften the clamping, and give you maybe 2-3 tiers of leeway. For reference that's about how much I dropped after losing something like 17/20 games. Removing clamping entirely just allows you to streak your way into a league, and if you're bad enough to drop a whole league, you wouldn't have belonged in that upper league to begin with, at almost any point in time unless you took a fucking huge break. Oh Riot, you cater to casuals That's the general reaction. But if you look at the league distribution graph and think about it, Silver is 50 percentile, and Silver 1 is 15 percentile, Gold 1 is 2 percentile. It's obvious that it shouldn't be like that. I think this is just a case Riot clamped it too hard, and they are just simply softening it out. MMR is the one that matters anyway. If the change gives people more confidence and motivates them to play more, I don't see the harm of it. It's not like after the change Diamond 1 will be 90 percentile or something. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35173 Posts
On November 06 2013 17:03 GolemMadness wrote: I don't understand this system. When I go like 12-3, I'm gaining 6 LP per win. Then I lose a few, and get +23 for my next win? What? KDA doesn't mean shit. All that matter is your team's MMR and the other team's. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On November 06 2013 19:58 Gahlo wrote: KDA doesn't mean shit. All that matter is your team's MMR and the other team's. I meant 12-3 as in winning 12 games and losing 3 over 15 games. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On November 06 2013 13:29 Gahlo wrote: Fun activity: Look at the champion roster and count how many have an AP scaling shield. Then shut up. Educational activity: look at the champion roster and count how many have an AP scaling shield, AP scaling on their autoattacks, a deathcap passive included in their kit, huge sustain off of autoattacks improved by said deathcap passive, and are manaless. Then please try to be a bit more polite? Your example is bad because Riven with Hydra or BT will heal for a bunch, while fueling a powerful, low cd shield (think Udyr's Turtle Stance midgame, except Riven's doesn't only scale with levels and she has better sustain off her itemisation). Add to that her ult's bonus AD and the way her passive lets her heal for massive amounts of health through the additional damage, and you'll start to get how dumb it gets during fights. Her health swings are enormous, and because she has 4 dashes and 2 cc in her kit she can also make up for her lack of AS (she doesn't heal as often, but an enemy cc'd or out of range won't attack either so by reducing their ps it makes her sustain relatively stronger). She's also got a pretty absurd scaling, full AoE, on her combo (EWQQQ with some autos weaved in) that chasing her is dangerous if she can get her cooldowns back. On top of the fact that you can't chase her anyway because she's got one of the lowest cd wall jumps in the game (there are exceptions, like Nidalee, Vi, Graves or Ezreal, but most of them require auto-ing to reduce the cd anyway) and so many dashes that even Orianna, or Kayle would have trouble catching her. She's one of the hardest snowballing champions in the game (while scaling hader than Pantheon and being harder to come back against than Wukong) and if she gets an exp advantage on you she will kill you at 6, even under her turret because she has the AD scaling of an assassin. She's super safe if she wants too, while being second only to the likes of Renekton, Jayce or Kayle when it comes to non-interactivity during her trades/disengages. She may not be OP, especially competitively since she needs farm past 6 and she sucks 1v2, but she's sure as hell a pain in the ass to deal with even without playing against the cream of the crop. On November 06 2013 15:05 wei2coolman wrote: So your saying you're good enough to go 8-0-5 and get 6 level advantage in diamond 1 games and then abuse it? It's noy just about the play, it has a ton to do with how he got to that spot No, he said "meh, it's about as intrinsically interesting as a 12-0 dude in a Bronze game going 1v5 as Yi or Katarina, they just show the bland result instead of how he got there to begin with", and he wasn't the only one. Some months ago people were extatic over a Korean Lee montage in the pic/vid thread, I watched it and barely half of it was worth having a look, and a bit less was good plays, the rest was a 16-0 guy doing QRQ combos and 100-0ing underleveled opponents. On November 06 2013 12:06 onlywonderboy wrote: God damn, the anti-Bjergsen talk is really bumming me out. I've liked him for so long and was already not super happy with him going to TSM so seeing all the negative sentiment just makes it worse. I agree TSM fans are probably going overboard with the hype, but he is a really good player. He whines a little on stream but I don't think it's that bad. Although whining on stream is like TL LoL's number one pet peeve. It may not be Bjergsen's own doing (he came across as arrogant and bragging to me but I didn't watch him more than once or twice before he switched to TSM), but when you hear "CW are a promising team" become "Bjergsen is such a god amgamgamg" it can get annoying very quickly, and trigger a bit of a "screw Bjergsen, the other 4 are being completely ignored with all this overhype" reaction.  Granted, the roster's changed a lot by now, so it's no longer applicable, but the overhype stays.That's one positive I see in him going to TSM: it's not going to become "Bjergsen+4", it'll be "TSM, including its mid Bjergsen". | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
On November 06 2013 22:13 Alaric wrote: but she's sure as hell a pain in the ass to deal with even withou playing against the top of the cream. Ha, knew this post was you without reading your name (I think you're the only frenchman in GD?). Crème de la crème translates to cream of the crop. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35173 Posts
On November 06 2013 22:13 Alaric wrote: Educational activity: look at the champion roster and count how many have an AP scaling shield, AP scaling on their autoattacks, a deathcap passive included in their kit, huge sustain off of autoattacks improved by said deathcap passive, and are manaless. Then please try to be a bit more polite? Your example is bad because Riven with Hydra or BT will heal for a bunch, while fueling a powerful, low cd shield (think Udyr's Turtle Stance midgame, except Riven's doesn't only scale with levels and she has better sustain off her itemisation). Add to that her ult's bonus AD and the way her passive lets her heal for massive amounts of health through the additional damage, and you'll start to get how dumb it gets during fights. Her health swings are enormous, and because she has 4 dashes and 2 cc in her kit she can also make up for her lack of AS (she doesn't heal as often, but an enemy cc'd or out of range won't attack either so by reducing their ps it makes her sustain relatively stronger). She's also got a pretty absurd scaling, full AoE, on her combo (EWQQQ with some autos weaved in) that chasing her is dangerous if she can get her cooldowns back. On top of the fact that you can't chase her anyway because she's got one of the lowest cd wall jumps in the game (there are exceptions, like Nidalee, Vi, Graves or Ezreal, but most of them require auto-ing to reduce the cd anyway) and so many dashes that even Orianna, or Kayle would have trouble catching her. She's one of the hardest snowballing champions in the game (while scaling hader than Pantheon and being harder to come back against than Wukong) and if she gets an exp advantage on you she will kill you at 6, even under her turret because she has the AD scaling of an assassin. She's super safe if she wants too, while being second only to the likes of Renekton, Jayce or Kayle when it comes to non-interactivity during her trades/disengages. She may not be OP, especially competitively since she needs farm past 6 and she sucks 1v2, but she's sure as hell a pain in the ass to deal with even withou playing against the top of the cream. Uh, no. It's a constant trend for people to be perfectly fine with something an AP based character has but then flip out when an AD character does. Listing off the other half of her kit has 0 to do with it. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Well, TIL, thanks. ^ yeah, sustain has no synergy at all with a spammable shield, and there isn't any possible link to be established between both elements' scaling stat, or the fact that there's a stat enhancer somewhere else in the kit. Simple example then: make Udyr's Turtle Stance shield scale with AD, or even better, AS (somehow); Suddenly he becomes much tankier past level 12 (or 9 in lane), and thus harder to kill. "B-but Janna and Orianna have AP-scaling shields too!" Yeah, and they can't use lifesteal, nor do they get much out of spellvamp. Think about Ryze's resilience with his ult on and a Seraph's Embrace activated once dropped to half ('cept he has crappy laning to make up for it, and no 100-0 potential, even less so on several people at once). Or Nidalee (but she has no cc, relies on poke when built AP because low burst damage, and people find her crazy strong currently anyway for her survivability). Or Galio, assuming he self-casts Bulwark, but he doesn't have her mobility nor her damage nor her laning, far from it. Let's not talk about dueling power. Yes, giving her an AD-scaling shield is dumb. And yes, the rest of her kit is relevant to the value of said shield ability. ... yeah or Soniv just posts while I edit and says the same thing in 3 lines qq | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On November 06 2013 22:40 Gahlo wrote: Uh, no. It's a constant trend for people to be perfectly fine with something an AP based character has but then flip out when an AD character does. Listing off the other half of her kit has 0 to do with it. Actually, the rest of her kit is incredibly relevant. The power of each of her strengths add on to each other. I'm not saying Riven is OP. But she does require a certain focus and counter play that most other champions do not, and it can be very frustrating to play against. It's the whole "assassins are designed to blow you up, so in order to win, your skill level needs to be higher" thing. | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
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Haiq343
United States2548 Posts
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overt
United States9006 Posts
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On November 07 2013 01:02 overt wrote: As far as Bjergsen is concerned I fully expect him to be better than any of the NA mids. But I also fully expect his skill to drop off when his only competition in NA is likely to be mancloud (and maybe LiNk). If TSM makes it to worlds S4 I think he'll look much weaker against his EU counter parts than he did in the past EU LCS split. It's true, NA has the magical powers of making everyone worse. If quantic gets into LCS, Suno might give Burgerking a run for his money. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21245 Posts
On November 07 2013 01:13 Diamond wrote: They didn't happen to fix Noc's Q overnight did they? Noticed a small patch when I woke up this morning. hope they did can someone confirm that bug was annoying as hell got terrored by it hard last night ;; | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
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Kyrie
1594 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On November 07 2013 00:23 Osmoses wrote: Riven isn't OP, but I definitely think shes annoying to lane against. It's hard to punish her mistakes due to the constant dashing and shielding and if you don't have chainmail by the time she hits 6 you might as well not show up in lane anymore. She's only strong, cuz nerfs hit everyone else. She's still highly susceptible to 2v1's. | ||
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
On November 07 2013 02:23 wei2coolman wrote: She's only strong, cuz nerfs hit everyone else. She's still highly susceptible to 2v1's. Coordination and high mobile kite teams=riven useless GG | ||
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eScapegoat100
Canada71 Posts
On November 06 2013 22:46 jcarlsoniv wrote: Actually, the rest of her kit is incredibly relevant. The power of each of her strengths add on to each other. I'm not saying Riven is OP. But she does require a certain focus and counter play that most other champions do not, and it can be very frustrating to play against. It's the whole "assassins are designed to blow you up, so in order to win, your skill level needs to be higher" thing. Top lane will snowball just as heavily against riven as it will for her. She has no ability to farm safely from range so she can really be crushed if she gets behind (early gank whatever). | ||
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