EPT[Patch 3.13] Heimer Rework General Discussion - Page 96
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On November 06 2013 13:07 layabout wrote: They never said it went away. So i am taking this as a direct buff to kogmaw and vayne and a nerf to zyra/fiddle/AP chunker in bot since my infinite mana janna isn't taking any damage and enemy cc is near worthless, especially if the adc grabs the new super cleanse. Still sad that riot wants players to charge q on janna: And then they decrease the bonus damage for charging anyway.It just makes support janna do even less damage and straight up nerfs ap janna. What's more it still costs too much mana, and the only reason it was so expensive is that it did big damage a long time ago. I get that they want supports to build ap, but ruining all their ratios cements them in the support role and makes them crappy everywhere else. Since at any time there is likely to be a few top tier supports if the rest can only be played as supports riot is pushing champions into the never picked status. Whats the point of nerfing her AP ratios right when supports are supposed to finally get gold? Its like, if she got +.1 s Knockup per 10 AP in return...then we have something (something overpowered). | ||
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
On November 06 2013 13:15 UnKooL wrote: Gonna try to learn riven or lee. I can't decide which one. wtf the answer is always lee | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On November 06 2013 13:18 cLutZ wrote: Whats the point of nerfing her AP ratios right when supports are supposed to finally get gold? Its like, if she got +.1 s Knockup per 10 AP in return...then we have something (something overpowered). 1000AP. 11 second knockup for astronaut Teemo. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On November 06 2013 13:08 UnKooL wrote: Is it worth picking up Riven, or will she get nerfed soon because I think it's inevitable... I see this all the time. Why do people think Riven will get nerfed? She's a strong champion but nowhere near overpowered. | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
Philosher’s Stone will cost 850 chalice 880 which is 1730 total, but crucible is 1600. It would be interesting to see the new items on Soraka though. Soraka with heal summoner, crucible, martyr's call,* + her w and r would have 5 (9 if you count ult Aoe) Heals at hand should a fight start. You could even throw in a locket shield too for 6 (14). + Show Spoiler [*] + Martyr’s Call Builds out of Executioner’s Emblem and Ruby Crystal Grants 400 Health and 25 HP/5 Retains the Soul Tithe Passive from Reaper’s Emblem Unique Active – Healthbomb: Consumes 20% of your current Health to shield target ally for 10% of your maximum Health for 4 seconds. After 4 seconds, the target explodes, dealing 10% of your maximum Health as magic damage in an area. | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
On November 06 2013 13:24 Ryuu314 wrote: I see this all the time. Why do people think Riven will get nerfed? She's a strong champion but nowhere near overpowered. cuz 90% of the legend league playerbase gives fb to lvl 2 fort pot | ||
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Gahlo
United States35162 Posts
On November 06 2013 13:24 Ryuu314 wrote: I see this all the time. Why do people think Riven will get nerfed? She's a strong champion but nowhere near overpowered. Because she's pretty fotm in high elo soloque, where Riven can shine because she depends on player knowledge more than a lot of champions. On November 06 2013 12:03 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: riven is such a dumb champ ad scaling shield ok Fun activity: Look at the champion roster and count how many have an AP scaling shield. Then shut up. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On November 06 2013 13:29 Gahlo wrote: Because she's pretty fotm in high elo soloque, where Riven can shine because she depends on player knowledge more than a lot of champions. Fun activity: Look at the champion roster and count how many have an AP scaling shield. Then shut up. Riven has been fotm in high elo solo q since Best Riven NA and other Riven only players became a thing, which was like what? Half a year or more now? She hasn't been touched by Riot for many months and has very little impact on the pro scene too. I guess she snowballs solo q games pretty hard while looking flashy I suppose. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
She suffers (or rather benefits) from only being gated by cooldowns like other manaless champs. Maybe if Riot even did something like capping CDR for manaless champs at like 30% or giving it diminishing returns it would help. | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
On November 06 2013 13:38 FinestHour wrote: also playboy bunny skin increases playrate by a ton I'm a classy gent and use my Championship Riven skin hue | ||
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TheLink
Australia2725 Posts
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Thermia
United States866 Posts
On November 06 2013 13:36 ticklishmusic wrote: Riven is a good and fun champ, but I'd hardly say she's OP. If teams stay reasonably even and you lock her down during a teamfight she dies pretty easily. She does good damage, but to compensate she is pretty squishy compared to a lot of other tops and doesn't have amazing diving ability. If Riven gets ahead it sucks and she can 1v3 if you walk in one or two at a time, but otherwise its not a big deal. I mean, if you play like Renekton you might not be as flashy but you'll be a pretty scary mother even without snowballing. She suffers (or rather benefits) from only being gated by cooldowns like other manaless champs. Maybe if Riot even did something like capping CDR for manaless champs at like 30% or giving it diminishing returns it would help. Riven isn't even remotely squishy unless you're bursting her very hard, her shield gives her incredibly deceptive amounts of hp in skirmishes which lets her turn ridiculous 1v3s and get away from a lot of things that should kill her. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35162 Posts
On November 06 2013 13:41 GhandiEAGLE wrote: I'm a classy gent and use my Championship Riven skin hue I have them all and cycle through, including classic. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On November 06 2013 13:36 ticklishmusic wrote: Riven is a good and fun champ, but I'd hardly say she's OP. If teams stay reasonably even and you lock her down during a teamfight she dies pretty easily. She does good damage, but to compensate she is pretty squishy compared to a lot of other tops and doesn't have amazing diving ability. If Riven gets ahead it sucks and she can 1v3 if you walk in one or two at a time, but otherwise its not a big deal. I mean, if you play like Renekton you might not be as flashy but you'll be a pretty scary mother even without snowballing. She suffers (or rather benefits) from only being gated by cooldowns like other manaless champs. Maybe if Riot even did something like capping CDR for manaless champs at like 30% or giving it diminishing returns it would help. Or they could do the smart thing, and give manaless champs Energy at the very least, and mana under ideal circumstances. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
U guys sure she's not in pro games? I feel like if she's been in pro games then the only thing protecting her is that she's been nerfed so much already. | ||
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canikizu
4860 Posts
On November 06 2013 13:31 Ryuu314 wrote: Riven has been fotm in high elo solo q since Best Riven NA and other Riven only players became a thing, which was like what? Half a year or more now? She hasn't been touched by Riot for many months and has very little impact on the pro scene too. I guess she snowballs solo q games pretty hard while looking flashy I suppose. Nah, Riven has been fotm since that Asian dude named Faker played her on NA soloq then shat on people in tournament. Before that Riven is popular, but not more than Rek or Shen and stuffs. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On November 06 2013 13:26 layabout wrote: actually somethings not right: Philosher’s Stone will cost 850 chalice 880 which is 1730 total, but crucible is 1600. Crucible doesn't build out of Philo in S4. It's Chalice + Faerie Charm iirc. | ||
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