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zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-05 17:17:39
November 05 2013 17:16 GMT
#1701
On November 06 2013 02:06 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Ranked 1v1s: a rotating cast of Heimer, Riven, and Sivir.

Edit: Oh, also Zed and Nasus, probably.


Nasus will suck in 1v1. Why would anyone pick Nasus? No time to farm your q, your kill potential is like zero for the longest time. I don't see why anyone would pick Sivir over Quinn or Draven. Ricochet is a glorious autoreset in a 1v1 situation, and her ult does almost nothing other than make her move really fast.

I don't think anyone will pick Heimer as is either. His ability to secure kills is quite poor, and its easy to kill his turrets early. Can't even last hit that effectively since turrets make that a chore. I guess if you want to kill their tower it might work out? I have a hard time seeing it.

Old Heimer would have been a god though.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
November 05 2013 17:17 GMT
#1702
I know which ADC I'm going to play in a 1v1 scenario.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-05 17:17:55
November 05 2013 17:17 GMT
#1703
On November 06 2013 02:16 zer0das wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2013 02:06 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Ranked 1v1s: a rotating cast of Heimer, Riven, and Sivir.

Edit: Oh, also Zed and Nasus, probably.


Nasus will suck in 1v1. Why would anyone pick Nasus? No time to farm your q, your kill potential is like zero for the longest time. I don't see why anyone would pick Sivir over Quinn or Draven. Ricochet is a glorious autoreset in a 1v1 situation, and her ult does almost nothing other than make her move really fast.

I don't think anyone will pick Heimer as is either. His ability to secure kills is quite poor, and its easy to kill his turrets early. Can't even last hit that effectively since turrets make that a chore. I guess if you want to kill their tower it might work out? Have hard time seeing it.

Old Heimer would have been a god though.


I was thinking Nasus and Heimer for being immovable and pushy as opposed to their dueling strength. Same with Sivir, though the mana for W might be a problem.

On November 06 2013 02:17 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
I know which ADC I'm going to play in a 1v1 scenario.


WE KNOW.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 05 2013 17:19 GMT
#1704
On November 06 2013 02:16 zer0das wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2013 02:06 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Ranked 1v1s: a rotating cast of Heimer, Riven, and Sivir.

Edit: Oh, also Zed and Nasus, probably.


Nasus will suck in 1v1. Why would anyone pick Nasus? No time to farm your q, your kill potential is like zero for the longest time. I don't see why anyone would pick Sivir over Quinn or Draven. Ricochet is a glorious autoreset in a 1v1 situation, and her ult does almost nothing other than make her move really fast.

I don't think anyone will pick Heimer as is either. His ability to secure kills is quite poor, and its easy to kill his turrets early. Can't even last hit that effectively since turrets make that a chore. I guess if you want to kill their tower it might work out? I have a hard time seeing it.

Old Heimer would have been a god though.


From what I've read on all your comments of Heimer, it's clear to me that you're doing something wrong.

Yes, his turrets are squishy. I've made the comment that this is one thing that bugs me about him. But he is incredibly safe and pushes hard and has a bunch of potential rooted in his kit.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
November 05 2013 17:21 GMT
#1705
I think you severely overrate how strong pushing will be (and the effectiveness of the mentioned champions at pushing).

And you could just pick Caitlyn and do a way better job of that. But Cait will probably be perma-ban.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 05 2013 17:22 GMT
#1706
1v1 Blind Pick is literally not worth playing. 1v1 Draft Mode makes more sense.

If 1v1 queue is only Blind Pick, it's going to suck.
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
November 05 2013 17:24 GMT
#1707
--- Nuked ---
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
November 05 2013 17:24 GMT
#1708
At least there will finally be a queue where I can finally avoid Kassadin <3
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Kyrie
Profile Joined June 2013
1594 Posts
November 05 2013 17:24 GMT
#1709
way late to the discussion but wow ahri is so gutted
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
November 05 2013 17:28 GMT
#1710
On November 06 2013 02:24 Clinic wrote:
way late to the discussion but wow ahri is so gutted

yeah.

Unlike you guys I'm not sure if I will play the 1v1 maps but hopefully they won't increase my 5v5 queue times.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
November 05 2013 17:28 GMT
#1711
On November 06 2013 02:24 Clinic wrote:
way late to the discussion but wow ahri is so gutted

she feels fine with dfg still :o, hitting a charm still gets you boatloads of damage with a wq even without your ult or dfg
Bronze player stuck in platinum
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-05 17:31:20
November 05 2013 17:29 GMT
#1712
On November 06 2013 02:19 jcarlsoniv wrote:From what I've read on all your comments of Heimer, it's clear to me that you're doing something wrong.

Yes, his turrets are squishy. I've made the comment that this is one thing that bugs me about him. But he is incredibly safe and pushes hard and has a bunch of potential rooted in his kit.


I've played against Heimers, I laugh when they tickle me with rockets and kill them early repeatedly because they have no damage.

Granted this is on Twisted Treeline because I'm trying to help my friends get gold, but honestly.. Heimer's threat at level 1-3 (even up to 6) is close to 0. This is a way bigger deal than anyone makes it out to be. What can he do to you? He maxes turrets, you engage when you want to, he has nothing to keep you in a fight. He maxes rockets, he has no pushing power and his poke is still paltry.

If I can kill his turrets with one auto and pretty much any line nuke, he has almost no pushing power for the early levels

If I were a jungling I'd be camping the crap out of him, he offers almost nothing to a 2v2 fight early. Not related to 1v1s, but meh.
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
November 05 2013 17:31 GMT
#1713
http://kr.esl.tv/channel/esltvlol/

SK vs MYM
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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
November 05 2013 17:33 GMT
#1714
PBE Report:

Of the revamped jungle items, Spirit of the Ancient Golem is the most OP. The Conservation Passive stacks once per second, up to 90 stacks total. When you kill a large/epic monster you consume up to 30 stacks gaining 1 gold per stack.

However, it basically takes 10 seconds to travel to a new camp and kill it, meaning that Conservation is just as good as the passives on Elder Lizard and Spectral Wraith when straight up farming the jungle.

So Conservation is better when camping/ganking and equal when farming. Welp.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 05 2013 17:35 GMT
#1715
On November 06 2013 02:29 zer0das wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2013 02:19 jcarlsoniv wrote:From what I've read on all your comments of Heimer, it's clear to me that you're doing something wrong.

Yes, his turrets are squishy. I've made the comment that this is one thing that bugs me about him. But he is incredibly safe and pushes hard and has a bunch of potential rooted in his kit.


I've played against Heimers, I laugh when they tickle me with rockets and kill them early repeatedly because they have no damage.

Granted this is on Twisted Treeline because I'm trying to help my friends get gold, but honestly.. Heimer's threat at level 1-3 (even up to 6) is close to 0. This is a way bigger deal than anyone makes it out to be. What can he do to you? He maxes turrets, you engage when you want to, he has nothing to keep you in a fight. He maxes rockets, he has no pushing power and his poke is still paltry.

If I can kill his turrets with one auto and pretty much any line nuke, he has almost no pushing power for the early levels

If I were a jungling I'd be camping the crap out of him, he offers almost nothing to a 2v2 fight early. Not related to 1v1s, but meh.


You're playing against retarded Heimers.

The fact that you think his turrets complicate last hitting shows that.

And you're judging Heimer on 3v3 which is bruiser heaven, so your argument carries no weight. Most mages struggle unless they can kite really well or are able to do enough damage to stay relevant while building tanky.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 05 2013 17:35 GMT
#1716
On November 06 2013 02:06 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
1v1 will be awful way to practice for 5v5 because you get bad habits of practicing as if there is no jungler

alternatively you play as if theres still jungler involved whiel the other guy doesnt and he gets to stomp you cause he gets to overextend like crazy and not get punished in which case you dont learn anything anyways other than "lol if this was a real game my jungler wouldve collected so many free kills already"

and since it will be a queue you bet everyone will be playign for dat W so the vast majority will be overextending and overpushing and playing stupid 1v1 heroes lol

Doesn't have to practice for 5's, just practice mechanics.
liftlift > tsm
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 05 2013 17:37 GMT
#1717
On November 06 2013 02:35 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2013 02:06 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
1v1 will be awful way to practice for 5v5 because you get bad habits of practicing as if there is no jungler

alternatively you play as if theres still jungler involved whiel the other guy doesnt and he gets to stomp you cause he gets to overextend like crazy and not get punished in which case you dont learn anything anyways other than "lol if this was a real game my jungler wouldve collected so many free kills already"

and since it will be a queue you bet everyone will be playign for dat W so the vast majority will be overextending and overpushing and playing stupid 1v1 heroes lol

Doesn't have to practice for 5's, just practice mechanics.


Mechanics get wildly skewed when you don't have to worry about a jungler.

There are certain mechanics that benefit from 1v1s (last hitting potentially, skill shots), but I've never liked them much cuz you are able to play balls to the wall with no cares in the world.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 05 2013 17:38 GMT
#1718
On November 06 2013 02:37 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2013 02:35 wei2coolman wrote:
On November 06 2013 02:06 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
1v1 will be awful way to practice for 5v5 because you get bad habits of practicing as if there is no jungler

alternatively you play as if theres still jungler involved whiel the other guy doesnt and he gets to stomp you cause he gets to overextend like crazy and not get punished in which case you dont learn anything anyways other than "lol if this was a real game my jungler wouldve collected so many free kills already"

and since it will be a queue you bet everyone will be playign for dat W so the vast majority will be overextending and overpushing and playing stupid 1v1 heroes lol

Doesn't have to practice for 5's, just practice mechanics.


Mechanics get wildly skewed when you don't have to worry about a jungler.

There are certain mechanics that benefit from 1v1s (last hitting potentially, skill shots), but I've never liked them much cuz you are able to play balls to the wall with no cares in the world.

Balls to walls requires mechanics.
liftlift > tsm
Kyrie
Profile Joined June 2013
1594 Posts
November 05 2013 17:42 GMT
#1719
On November 06 2013 02:28 Nos- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2013 02:24 Clinic wrote:
way late to the discussion but wow ahri is so gutted

she feels fine with dfg still :o, hitting a charm still gets you boatloads of damage with a wq even without your ult or dfg


landing charm was always the 'go' button for whether ahri comboes (full all in or just q/w) a single target, so the changes aren't too big in that regard...but she's noticeably weaker in situations with more than 1 target. which i suppose is exactly what was intended - to keep her assassin strengths while making her worse at everything else. i just don't think the nerfs were necessary, especially when the broader game is being massively reshuffled at the same time
Isken
Profile Joined November 2010
Korea (South)1131 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-05 17:44:43
November 05 2013 17:42 GMT
#1720
On November 06 2013 02:31 Chexx wrote:
http://kr.esl.tv/channel/esltvlol/

SK vs MYM

thanks, some esports action
though millenium is getting shat on

edit : jesiz just joined sk, plays nidalee
it reminds me of the korean pro who slapped faker playing nidalee for its first game
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