EPTOn November 04 2013 16:43 WaveofShadow wrote:
Jeez man I gotta watch my blood pressure around you because you are salty.
Jeez man I gotta watch my blood pressure around you because you are salty.
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[Patch 3.13] Heimer Rework General Discussion - Page 72
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UniversalSnip
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Jek
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justiceknight
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On November 04 2013 17:58 Jek wrote: Holy cow rework Sivir is stronk. Sivir players are carrying gold league games left and right in EUNE at the moment. Luckily, one of my duo partners has been maining Sivir since start of S2. :D his fucking W and ult combo +80% attk spd max lvl is insane steroid | ||
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TheLink
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AsnSensation
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Doctorbeat
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I'm used to champs with escapes, Sivir hasn't got any. Got destroyed last game by Morg/J4/Leona/Aatrox  J4 ult you and you better have flash or you're doomed. | ||
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Jek
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On November 04 2013 20:03 Doctorbeat wrote: I have to really learn how to play her again. I'm used to champs with escapes, Sivir hasn't got any. Got destroyed last game by Morg/J4/Leona/Aatrox J4 ult you and you better have flash or you're doomed. I dunno man, they've all just rushed down tower then told me to support either top or mid and then they just yolosplit all day until teamfights while they huehue ult (+passive I guess?) away if opponent try anything fancy. But dat R passive and Ricochette - I've seen so many random super long bounce kills..... Cwaaazah. | ||
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Alaric
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That's why I said I only saw her do well in games where the team would be passive as fuck, not even trying to disrupt her in teamfights, so she'd get a bunch of casts off, even reaching to the backline when your frontline doesn't position well, and when they finally turn on her I'd be half HP or something from dealing with the enemy's diver + the random bounces. About Zyra support, I don't see how Annie does well vs her? She's only got some auto range advantage, spell range is too short to ever get close without burning flash, so you'll eat poke if you stick your head out while Zyra has her root if your run at her and her ult to disengage. I guess the plan for that Ashe+Annie combo you were talking about is to live till 6 then use ECA to pin someone down long enough to combo into Tibbers and pretty much 100-0 said one? | ||
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JazzVortical
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On November 04 2013 20:19 Alaric wrote: Thing is, it's also only for 3 attacks (well 4 if you count the auto reset) and then it's down for 5s, so compared to Ezreal, Graves, Varus past the first kill, Tristana, Kog, you've got some initial damage and then you need the fight to last a bit longer so you get more casts to make up for it. That's why I said I only saw her do well in games where the team would be passive as fuck, not even trying to disrupt her in teamfights, so she'd get a bunch of casts off, even reaching to the backline when your frontline doesn't position well, and when they finally turn on her I'd be half HP or something from dealing with the enemy's diver + the random bounces. About Zyra support, I don't see how Annie does well vs her? She's only got some auto range advantage, spell range is too short to ever get close without burning flash, so you'll hit poke if you stick your head out while Zyra has her root if your run at her and her ult to disengage. I guess the plan for that Ashe+Annie combo you were talking about is to live till 6 then use ECA to pin someone down long enough to combo into Tibbers and pretty much 100-0 said one? Makes sense. You could also take the same approach applied to Sona: Burst her out of the fight ASAP, then turn to the adc. Zyra is very squishy. | ||
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[DUF]MethodMan
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On November 04 2013 15:12 Cloud9157 wrote: So after trying Diana in a few normals, the only thing I can say about her is what the fuck. You don't even have to kill enemy mid-laner(though doing so is always a good thing) to be ridiculous. Clear wave>take camps while losing little to no mana+health. It's just insane how efficient she is at clearing camps. Oh, and then there's the roaming aspect. That's kinda cool too. I will be shocked if she isn't all over the place during season 4. Her main problem is team fight imo. Diana is the champ I played the most in ranked (more than 100 game), and altho I'm bad (Gold II), I feel like in team fight it's sometime really difficult to be as useful as you should be if the adc is good enough to position himself in a right place, especially after the change on her w (it was like a mini Malph ult some times ago). I often stomp mid game and come into late game with a huge advantage, but lost it as soon as a lot of team fights happen. I "fixed" that by just waiting behind during the beginning of the team fight and going all in on the best targets as soon as I have a safe approach on them, but that can only work if my team have an initiator and don't totally suck. Maybe someone better could give his insight on how to play her in tf, I'll gladly read it. | ||
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Alaric
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Ketara
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Slayer91
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On November 04 2013 20:34 JazzVortical wrote: Makes sense. You could also take the same approach applied to Sona: Burst her out of the fight ASAP, then turn to the adc. Zyra is very squishy. I wish people tried this more I need more elo points | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On November 04 2013 23:37 Slayer91 wrote: I wish people tried this more I need more elo points You are already ahead of the meta changes with barrier sona. | ||
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oneofthem
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Spaiku
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Liquipedia says he switched to LoL | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On November 04 2013 23:10 Ketara wrote: I'm so glad you guys don't think the Sivir changes are a nerf anymore. + Show Spoiler + Quit being an ass, all I said is that I've only seen her be a sizable threat when people didn't even try getting to her and zoning her (first time I mentioned it I even said that despite the range difference people were focusing Varus more willingly, which confused me). Her laning is arguably more reliable at the cost of a lower ceiling (more bounces = easier to get a bounce off for harass, although she does less damage if she gets only one of the three ; and she does less damage period pre-6 if she directly attacks a champion), however her teamfighting is less opportunistic, she loses dps over the duration of her ult, and said ult is underwhelming*. I reserve my judgement until I see how it turns out when people realise that even AD Annie would wreck if left alone for 10+ seconds and start trying to get to Sivir. * its active is reminiscent of Raise Morale's with a sprint at the start, which is a regular skill and its champion's least iconic since the removal of deny (and has the AD component and the passive bonuses). | ||
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