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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On November 05 2013 01:56 dae wrote: Diana is very very very weak in lane. You just havn't played anyone that punished you for it. I would say more that she has some very bad matchups, but once she gets over the hump, she's perfectly fine. A lot like early laning with Gragas, really. | ||
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
Maybe I've played against bad Sivirs, but what usually happens is they win lane, and then just don't really do anything rest of the game. Skins. Given: spirit guard udyr, frozen shen, sakura karma, kitty cat katarina. Received: dragon trainer lulu, battle regalia poppy, dynasty ahri, and a couple more I can't remember. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
Overall I think she's in a pretty good spot, but takes a lot of practice to know timings and limits. | ||
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On November 05 2013 01:53 jcarlsoniv wrote: That it's fine if a champion isn't 100% fully well rounded. Champions that have specific strengths can be utilized by people who know how to take advantage of those specific strengths. Most players look for champions who are "generally good" because they are fine in all aspects. When champions are buffed in their specific strengths, they are often still overlooked because people still won't look to capitalize on those strengths. At least, that's why I got from it. Oh. I thought they were trying to make Sivir do more AoE again after her remake removed the W being a toggle. | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
On November 05 2013 02:00 wussleeQ wrote: wow everyone got nice skins from random gifting it seems like lol. I got three fucking Veigar skins lol | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
Pentakill Olaf, Bloodstone Taric, and Little Knight Amumu. Not bad, could've been better. At least I got to give xes Panda Teemo and Xena Sivir tho. QQ for days. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On November 05 2013 02:10 Alaric wrote: Na, they're just pretending that they focus on Sivir's "unique niches" which happen to be shared or outdone by most of the marksmen roster: pushing and AoE are so rare these days! If you want AoE with no escape, though, you can pretty much use Varus instead. I mean, her burst is high and in early Dragon skirmishes and stuff like that she is undeniably strong, but I just can't think of a situation where I'd rather have her over someone else. | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On November 05 2013 02:11 AsmodeusXI wrote: Pentakill Olaf, Bloodstone Taric, and Little Knight Amumu. Not bad, could've been better. At least I got to give xes Panda Teemo and Xena Sivir tho. QQ for days. I got Dragonslayer Jarven  I have Warring Kingdoms so it will never get used. The odds were not in my favor. | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
On November 05 2013 02:01 Requizen wrote: Last time I played against a Diana I laned against her as Ori and she just dumped my shit repeatedly once she hit 6. I probably could have bullied her out early, but between Flask and DRing she was able to farm with Q pretty well. Overall I think she's in a pretty good spot, but takes a lot of practice to know timings and limits. Ori actually counters Diana fairly well. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 05 2013 01:35 Requizen wrote: While I agree, there's a level of lopsidedness where strengths don't make up for weaknesses, especially in a high-coordination environment. Sivir's high damage output does not, in my personal opinion, make up for her very poor range and fickle defensive ability. From personal experience and watching streams, Spell Shield seems to do nothing or eat a random AoE as often as it stops you from getting CC'd, and once teamfights break out chain CC basically negates it. While yes, lopsided champs can be very strong, I don't personally think Sivir is one of them. I don't disagree with the specific case, but in general the phrase "didn't address the things that keep her from getting picked" is an awful phrase to use. If a champ is strong enough at it's strengths, then the weaknesses can be played/drafted around. You're essentially attributing the reason she's not picked to her weaknesses, when there's no real way to attribute that to one particular part of her kit. If her strengths are strong enough, her weaknesses don't matter. All that matters is the champion kit's strength as a whole. | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
On November 05 2013 02:14 onlywonderboy wrote: I got Dragonslayer Jarven I have Warring Kingdoms so it will never get used. The odds were not in my favor.I gave Lolipoppy to the bitch who got me the third Veigar skin. I gave as good as I got baby~ | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On November 05 2013 02:18 TheYango wrote: I don't disagree with the specific case, but in general the phrase "didn't address the things that keep her from getting picked" is an awful phrase to use. If a champ is strong enough at it's strengths, then the weaknesses can be played/drafted around. You're essentially attributing the reason she's not picked to her weaknesses, when there's no real way to attribute that to one particular part of her kit. If her strengths are strong enough, her weaknesses don't matter. All that matters is the champion kit's strength as a whole. That's a fair assessment, I probably could have worded it better. | ||
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YouGotNothin
United States907 Posts
As far as the Diana discussion is concerned what are people building as her first core item? I used to really like lich bane but then I saw a lot of pros going abyssal or hourglass first. She's always felt a bit underwhelming to me since the nerfs, but if she gets decently fed she can still become a terror. | ||
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Kyrie
1594 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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justiceknight
Singapore5741 Posts
not surprised wcg sucks | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Obviously when she gets fed she can go triforce the way Jarvan goes Triforce I guess, assuming it still lets you get at least a Zhonya before the enemy team can catch up. When I looked at DotA's carries and what a fed Diana can do, in particular depending on itemisation, I had the thought that a difference between LoL and DotA when it comes to carries is that in DotA a Diana built with Zhonya's/Abyssal/GA would do as much damage as a Nashor's/Lichbane/Deatchap Diana does in LoL. Which is probably amusingly wrong. ^ if you need mana get a flask and ignore chalice, her Q is a flat 55 mana at all levels, that's what let her have blue buff-level clears at release, you'd send a supposed lane counter and she'd just be "dun care, 2 Q and I farm the whole wave for 100 mana!". Then her Q damage was reduced. But as long as you don't spam her shield (which has a real cost) you shouldn't have any mana issues with Diana. | ||
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