EPTlots of times you just get hit by their adc+their support and you're just fufcked
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Slayer91
Ireland23351 Posts
lots of times you just get hit by their adc+their support and you're just fufcked | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23351 Posts
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
On November 15 2013 20:54 Scip wrote: also it's that Thresh and Zyra and Sona are just sooo beast in lane. Lulu might rekk unconventional supports in lane but she will probably get pwnz0rzed by these. I would say she is the gatekeeper of support laning. Lulu is like the best counter for thresh and zyra, i don't know where you get your idea that they should beat her from. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
I mean, I don't see her outpoking Zyra, and she can't harrass as well because less range, so I'm wondering. I can see her ult stopping Zyra from getting a kill of an ER combo, but long range typically annoys Lulu because of W's low range and Q being hard to hit from afar since it's slow, so as long as you don't pair Zyra with someone like Vayne, I have trouble seeing Lulu managing to play aggressively. As for Thresh, it may be because I have absolutely 0 idea about which support beat him and how they do it, Flay pretty stronk. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On November 15 2013 21:00 Sponkz wrote: Lulu is like the best counter for thresh and zyra, i don't know where you get your idea that they should beat her from. Depends on the marksmen(like every lane).Dunno why people love to talk about x supp beats y supp when it doesn't work like that at all. | ||
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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
afaik she does put points into her harass skill. | ||
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Nemireck
Canada1875 Posts
On November 15 2013 21:14 nafta wrote: Depends on the marksmen(like every lane).Dunno why people love to talk about x supp beats y supp when it doesn't work like that at all. Except Ali/Leona... Ali laughs at Leona... In lane. + Show Spoiler + If the adc is good. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Also maxing W second on Lulu for the cd, but since I switched to more wards/oracles and get less items, the lack of CDR still makes me not that likely to pull off 2 in a single teamfight, unless during clean-up. Maybe I should try E second for more raw mitigation on top of ult. | ||
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
On November 15 2013 21:14 nafta wrote: Depends on the marksmen(like every lane).Dunno why people love to talk about x supp beats y supp when it doesn't work like that at all. That's very true, though i still feel she has the greater advantage against both ^^ On November 15 2013 21:07 Alaric wrote: How does Lulu beat Thresh and Zyra? I mean, I don't see her outpoking Zyra, and she can't harrass as well because less range, so I'm wondering. I can see her ult stopping Zyra from getting a kill of an ER combo, but long range typically annoys Lulu because of W's low range and Q being hard to hit from afar since it's slow, so as long as you don't pair Zyra with someone like Vayne, I have trouble seeing Lulu managing to play aggressively. As for Thresh, it may be because I have absolutely 0 idea about which support beat him and how they do it, Flay pretty stronk. The extended E is what makes or breaks the lane. When playing against Thresh, he can't go into poke range with the extended range due to his E, without taking an E in return. This means three things: a) You have full vision of him, even when going into brushes, making it extremely difficult for Thresh to land surprise hooks b) You can, with much training, hit thresh and his ADC with your Q forcing them to play safer and also force thresh to do nothing c) If Thresh decides after the poke to go in, fucking W that piece of shit and rape him in the mouth For Zyra some of the same rules applies, though your W is pretty much useless. The biggest factor to beating zyra is dodging the root, and i find that very easy (and like Thresh she cannot make surprise roots if you keep vision and punish with E when she goes for root -> plants). Oh and as general rule of thumb for skill-orders you can do something like this: Many shields, many hue's: QEQW or QEWQ into R > Q > E > W AP heavy combo with someone like hecarim, rumble, vladimir: QEQW or QEWQ into R > Q > W > E | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
Discuss (and troll, please). | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On November 15 2013 21:36 mr_tolkien wrote: Hydra rush on Renekt in OGN. Discuss (and troll, please). Only tiamat no hydra actually.I see it from time to time in soloq.A friend keeps telling me it's really good vs riven but dunno :D. | ||
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Prog
United Kingdom1470 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Also I need to strain my eyes more, getting screwed by Pix moving around your target so it barely grazes your Q is so frustrating when it happens. :< | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On November 15 2013 21:40 nafta wrote: Only tiamat no hydra actually.I see it from time to time in soloq.A friend keeps telling me it's really good vs riven but dunno :D. AP Renekt would be good vs Riven just because he dumps so hard on her. | ||
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JazzVortical
Australia1825 Posts
On November 15 2013 21:16 Nemireck wrote: Except Ali/Leona... Ali laughs at Leona... In lane. + Show Spoiler + If the adc is good. Morg laughs way heartier. | ||
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drkcid
Spain196 Posts
Sry but Im a noob, can you explain that? | ||
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