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Gahlo
United States35150 Posts
On November 15 2013 21:36 mr_tolkien wrote: Hydra rush on Renekt in OGN. Discuss (and troll, please). Usually see it only against Shen. Forces him under tower constantly so he has to run away to ult and doing so risks him losing tower. | ||
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JazzVortical
Australia1825 Posts
Morgana's E prevents CC. Leona likes to jump in and CC people. It's possible to shield the target while she's jumping in. Leona's only use is applying her passive and AAing people. | ||
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drkcid
Spain196 Posts
On November 15 2013 22:34 JazzVortical wrote: Morgana's E prevents CC. Leona likes to jump in and CC people. It's possible to shield the target while she's jumping in. Leona's only use is applying her passive and AAing people. Ok, I thought that Leona's mr and gap closer would be a pain in the ass for Morg. | ||
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anmolsinghmzn2009
India1783 Posts
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Haiq343
United States2548 Posts
On November 16 2013 00:13 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote: Is EUW down for everyone? im getting the undefined server status. Someone divided by 0? | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On November 15 2013 22:34 JazzVortical wrote: Morgana's E prevents CC. Leona likes to jump in and CC people. It's possible to shield the target while she's jumping in. Leona's only use is applying her passive and AAing people. e on to morgana, if she spell shields herself ult her carry and walk up to it and q it. if she shields her carry you just unload on morgana. you faceblock her q from hitting your carry and you win every trade no matter what because you are doing triple her damage and applying sunlight. i dont see how morgana counters leona at all. you just dont play like a derp and her shield is meh. | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
On November 16 2013 01:44 turdburgler wrote: e on to morgana, if she spell shields herself ult her carry and walk up to it and q it. if she shields her carry you just unload on morgana. you faceblock her q from hitting your carry and you win every trade no matter what because you are doing triple her damage and applying sunlight. i dont see how morgana counters leona at all. you just dont play like a derp and her shield is meh. Morg's ult completely destroys Leona's intiation tbh. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On November 16 2013 00:13 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote: Is EUW down for everyone? im getting the undefined server status. I just logged in so seems fine? | ||
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Zhiroo
Kosovo2724 Posts
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Lylat
France8575 Posts
Same here, no problem logging in | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
On November 15 2013 19:12 Sponkz wrote: But if you ever were to purchase hydra, it would only make sense in a snow ball situation. If you are to dump 3k gold in mid/late-game you're gonna sit on stupid items (pick-axe or vamp scepter, tiamat and then hydra) where you could just buy LW. I know Renekton's Slice and Dice give arpen, but i don't see it being big enough to not want LW as well for late-game, which means you gotta dump another 2300g before you can get the full potential of your hydra. By rushing it in lane, where it's more suitable to sit on rejuv+pickaxe+scepter or similar, you get a strong power-curve with your base stats and abilities (level 2 ultimate with hydra is devastating). You are snowballing, you are ahead in experience and base-stats so you're more tanky just by that and you don't need additional defenses yet. Once you get tiamat, you largely lose your ability to control where the wave of minions is at a given time. This is a pretty big deal in a lot of situations, which is why I do not generally like rushing hydra. That being said, someone getting tiamat/hydra first against Shen doesn't really shock me. Another example where I feel it is appropriate early is against Trundle, because he has no way of counterpushing aside from autoing all day long, so its easy to just shove him to tower repeatedly and deny him a lot of farm and get an early tower that way (or just keep him glued to tower while your team invades the enemy jungle). | ||
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Gahlo
United States35150 Posts
On November 16 2013 02:46 zer0das wrote: Once you get tiamat, you largely lose your ability to control where the wave of minions is at a given time. This is a pretty big deal in a lot of situations, which is why I do not generally like rushing hydra. That being said, someone getting tiamat/hydra first against Shen doesn't really shock me. Another example where I feel it is appropriate early is against Trundle, because he has no way of counterpushing aside from autoing all day long, so its easy to just shove him to tower repeatedly and deny him a lot of farm and get an early tower that way (or just keep him glued to tower while your team invades the enemy jungle). Usually when you buy Hydra, you don't care where the lane is. You're either punishing the enemy or pushing them under tower and poaching/roaming. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On November 15 2013 21:26 Sponkz wrote: That's very true, though i still feel she has the greater advantage against both ^^ The extended E is what makes or breaks the lane. When playing against Thresh, he can't go into poke range with the extended range due to his E, without taking an E in return. This means three things: a) You have full vision of him, even when going into brushes, making it extremely difficult for Thresh to land surprise hooks b) You can, with much training, hit thresh and his ADC with your Q forcing them to play safer and also force thresh to do nothing c) If Thresh decides after the poke to go in, fucking W that piece of shit and rape him in the mouth For Zyra some of the same rules applies, though your W is pretty much useless. The biggest factor to beating zyra is dodging the root, and i find that very easy (and like Thresh she cannot make surprise roots if you keep vision and punish with E when she goes for root -> plants). Oh and as general rule of thumb for skill-orders you can do something like this: Many shields, many hue's: QEQW or QEWQ into R > Q > E > W AP heavy combo with someone like hecarim, rumble, vladimir: QEQW or QEWQ into R > Q > W > E Why are these supports that beat you in trades and all ins giving you brush control? | ||
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Prog
United Kingdom1470 Posts
Edit: at least early game. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Copenhagen pups have dropped their 3rd ever series in the challenger scene, 0-2 to dignitas UK in the first round | ||
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tl2212
Belize731 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On November 16 2013 04:50 tl2212 wrote: is cloth + pots a legit start for some jungles? like garen, riven, khazix? No. Also why are you jungling Garen? | ||
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remedium
United States939 Posts
On November 16 2013 04:50 tl2212 wrote: is cloth + pots a legit start for some jungles? like garen, riven, khazix? In season 2 cloth+pots was a common start on weaker or low level junglers. There is no real purpose to it now due to the prevalence of good leashing practices and Hunter's Machete. | ||
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Inschato
Canada1349 Posts
On November 16 2013 01:44 turdburgler wrote: e on to morgana, if she spell shields herself ult her carry and walk up to it and q it. if she shields her carry you just unload on morgana. you faceblock her q from hitting your carry and you win every trade no matter what because you are doing triple her damage and applying sunlight. i dont see how morgana counters leona at all. you just dont play like a derp and her shield is meh. Except if they're playing it right you can't just E onto Morgana because she'll be standing behind her ADC and you'll take a fistfull of autos trying (and failing) to get in range. Morgana doesn't even need to be up with her ADC since the range on her spells is so long, and she doesn't need to auto harass. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
Jungling Garen real terror. Garen coming out of bushes where he shouldn't be, is true terror. Funnily enough, was watching Dyrus stream (this was back in S2), my RL friend was jungler on other team. Dyrus randomly opens the score menu, and he's like "wtf why is jungle garen legendary?" Anything works in solo queue. On November 16 2013 04:50 tl2212 wrote: is cloth + pots a legit start for some jungles? like garen, riven, khazix? Cloth is straight up worse buy than machete, on riven and Khaziks. what are you going to build out of cloth? | ||
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