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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
November 15 2013 20:21 GMT
#3521
On November 16 2013 03:54 Prog wrote:
Because they don't beat you in trades. ~~

Edit: at least early game.


Are we talking autos? Because Q is really weak until lvl 3. Like, Old Lulu I agree, but modern Lulu is only a decent laner.
Freeeeeeedom
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
November 15 2013 20:54 GMT
#3522
On November 16 2013 04:52 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2013 04:50 tl2212 wrote:
is cloth + pots a legit start for some jungles? like garen, riven, khazix?

No.

Also why are you jungling Garen?


at the tail end of s3 in ranked 5s, i was playing with some friends and ran into EHOMDA and crew (of normal queue fun police fame), and they ran:

AD TF top
Garen Jungle
Wukong mid
Darius + Xin bot lane

all they did past about level 3 was roam around into our jungle or turret dive as 4 while TF farmed top
once they all had their spin moves (6 for xin and wukong) they would just mercilessly chase us around and as soon as they could catch someone, spin all at the same time while yelling in all-chat "THE BLENDER THE BLENDER"

it was the best
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
November 15 2013 20:56 GMT
#3523
On November 16 2013 04:52 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2013 04:50 tl2212 wrote:
is cloth + pots a legit start for some jungles? like garen, riven, khazix?

No.

Also why are you jungling Garen?


Saw Chauster jungle him earlier season 3 before he switched to playing jungler for CLG, and he made him look super scary. Had well timed ganks and just fucked people up while they tried to all-in their lanes. He did it over 3 games so I've seen it in more than just one game.
Hey! How you doin'?
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21247 Posts
November 15 2013 20:59 GMT
#3524
i mean thats just him having good gank timing you can do that with everyone you dont need to be garen lol
TranslatorBaa!
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-15 21:04:29
November 15 2013 20:59 GMT
#3525
I'm not saying it's Garen, just saying I saw him do it.

On November 16 2013 06:03 Osmoses wrote:
Not saying it was Garen. But it was Garen.


Yeah kinda
Hey! How you doin'?
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
November 15 2013 21:03 GMT
#3526
Not saying it was Garen. But it was Garen.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
tl2212
Profile Joined April 2013
Belize731 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-15 21:46:10
November 15 2013 21:23 GMT
#3527
lol ok first off, i was jungling garen because it was trynd free week (who i suck as) so i blind countered a jungle Trynda as jungle Garen. It totally worked and the other jungle was trynd, and i counter jungled him and killed him twice at his red pre 6. #datscilence

lol if you can jungle EZ and jungle Fizz then imo u can jungle almost any character.... maybe not some super squishy mages but for the most part once you get past 3 you should be able to clear camps very easy.

Which is why sometimes i get armor, cause i feel like as squishier assassin type jungles its important to have HP when u gank. and if you have buffs u can spam spells to clear camps and so if im jungle khazix, i figure the armor helps me have a lot more HP when i go to gank, because after a few Q i will kill all the creeps with some auto attacks, and having a little more dmg on my autos wont help me clear the jungle faster, esp after lvl 3

.... lol yah im bronze plz give me jungle builds
economy over everything
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 15 2013 21:50 GMT
#3528
Well as far as garen and k6 are concerned both are just weak lvl 3 gankers in general. Also with proper leash you should be coming out of jungle with near full health at lvl 3.
liftlift > tsm
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21247 Posts
November 15 2013 22:06 GMT
#3529
are you actually trying to make k6 a thing

stop trying to k6 happen it's not going to happen
TranslatorBaa!
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
November 15 2013 22:07 GMT
#3530
Call him Bug. Then pretend you're watching Uncle Buck.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
remedium
Profile Joined July 2011
United States939 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-15 22:17:03
November 15 2013 22:16 GMT
#3531
On November 16 2013 06:23 tl2212 wrote:
lol ok first off, i was jungling garen because it was trynd free week (who i suck as) so i blind countered a jungle Trynda as jungle Garen. It totally worked and the other jungle was trynd, and i counter jungled him and killed him twice at his red pre 6. #datscilence

lol if you can jungle EZ and jungle Fizz then imo u can jungle almost any character.... maybe not some super squishy mages but for the most part once you get past 3 you should be able to clear camps very easy.

Which is why sometimes i get armor, cause i feel like as squishier assassin type jungles its important to have HP when u gank. and if you have buffs u can spam spells to clear camps and so if im jungle khazix, i figure the armor helps me have a lot more HP when i go to gank, because after a few Q i will kill all the creeps with some auto attacks, and having a little more dmg on my autos wont help me clear the jungle faster, esp after lvl 3

.... lol yah im bronze plz give me jungle builds


Pretty "standard" jungle build path is Hunter's Machete + 5 health pots.

First item is Spirit of the Ancient Golem (or boots of speed).

Second item is either Locket of the Iron Solari/Aegis, Sunfire Cape, or Spirit Visage.

Third item is probably one of the above.

Upgraded boots are going to be Ninja Tabi 99% of the time (Merc Treads are redundant because of Spirit item, if you need MR rush the Spirit Visage).

This is just a really basic guide for the basic junglers (Jarvan IV, Elise, Vi, Lee Sin, Udyr (hue), etc...)

There are endless variations to how you could/would/should build a jungler, but this build is solid.
Stay positive!
YouGotNothin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States907 Posts
November 15 2013 22:20 GMT
#3532
Tabi 99% of the time? I really like mobility boots on Vi, Sorc. shoes on Sejuani, and swifties on Udyr. But maybe that's just me.
I got nothin'...
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
November 15 2013 22:23 GMT
#3533
I can't think of a jungler I don't buy MoBos on, but that's because I GOTTA GO FAST
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
November 15 2013 22:31 GMT
#3534
On November 16 2013 06:23 tl2212 wrote:
lol ok first off, i was jungling garen because it was trynd free week (who i suck as) so i blind countered a jungle Trynda as jungle Garen. It totally worked and the other jungle was trynd, and i counter jungled him and killed him twice at his red pre 6. #datscilence

lol if you can jungle EZ and jungle Fizz then imo u can jungle almost any character.... maybe not some super squishy mages but for the most part once you get past 3 you should be able to clear camps very easy.

Which is why sometimes i get armor, cause i feel like as squishier assassin type jungles its important to have HP when u gank. and if you have buffs u can spam spells to clear camps and so if im jungle khazix, i figure the armor helps me have a lot more HP when i go to gank, because after a few Q i will kill all the creeps with some auto attacks, and having a little more dmg on my autos wont help me clear the jungle faster, esp after lvl 3

.... lol yah im bronze plz give me jungle builds


Are your teammates giving you a solid leash? If you're taking like any more than 1 health pot of damage off of your first buff then its pretty unlikely on some of the worse junglers that you can do the double-buff lvl 3 gank route.
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Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
November 15 2013 22:38 GMT
#3535
On November 16 2013 07:23 AsmodeusXI wrote:
I can't think of a jungler I don't buy MoBos on, but that's because I GOTTA GO FAST

I like swifties on Udyr cause he really wants that extra movespeed at all times, not just before fights break out. Altho Tabis or Mercs are usually the safer choice for fighting.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
November 15 2013 22:38 GMT
#3536
On November 16 2013 07:20 YouGotNothin wrote:
Tabi 99% of the time? I really like mobility boots on Vi, Sorc. shoes on Sejuani, and swifties on Udyr. But maybe that's just me.

I normally get mofo boots on pretty much any early game jungler like vi, J4 or aatrox since I want to get as many ganks as humanly possible before laning ends so I can try to snowball for a quick win. It's pretty much the only way I know how to jungle (Also the only way I enjoy jungle)
Glorious SEA doto
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 15 2013 22:43 GMT
#3537
On November 16 2013 07:38 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2013 07:23 AsmodeusXI wrote:
I can't think of a jungler I don't buy MoBos on, but that's because I GOTTA GO FAST

I like swifties on Udyr cause he really wants that extra movespeed at all times, not just before fights break out. Altho Tabis or Mercs are usually the safer choice for fighting.

I'll also occasionally get them on Volibear, they work well on him.
It's your boy Guzma!
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
November 15 2013 22:47 GMT
#3538
On November 16 2013 07:43 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2013 07:38 Ryuu314 wrote:
On November 16 2013 07:23 AsmodeusXI wrote:
I can't think of a jungler I don't buy MoBos on, but that's because I GOTTA GO FAST

I like swifties on Udyr cause he really wants that extra movespeed at all times, not just before fights break out. Altho Tabis or Mercs are usually the safer choice for fighting.

I'll also occasionally get them on Volibear, they work well on him.


There's an argument for getting them on Vi too because it practically eliminates her Vault Breaker self-slow but idk if that's a good enough trade-off for being able to cross the map like a rocket ship with fists.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
November 15 2013 22:48 GMT
#3539
On November 16 2013 07:47 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2013 07:43 Requizen wrote:
On November 16 2013 07:38 Ryuu314 wrote:
On November 16 2013 07:23 AsmodeusXI wrote:
I can't think of a jungler I don't buy MoBos on, but that's because I GOTTA GO FAST

I like swifties on Udyr cause he really wants that extra movespeed at all times, not just before fights break out. Altho Tabis or Mercs are usually the safer choice for fighting.

I'll also occasionally get them on Volibear, they work well on him.


There's an argument for getting them on Vi too because it practically eliminates her Vault Breaker self-slow but idk if that's a good enough trade-off for being able to cross the map like a rocket ship with fists.

I don't think it's worth it on vi, either mobilities for early game, tabi for tank vi or treads for carry vi. I can see the value of swiftness but imo in all three ways to play vi I think there are better options.
Glorious SEA doto
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
November 15 2013 22:49 GMT
#3540
On November 16 2013 07:48 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2013 07:47 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On November 16 2013 07:43 Requizen wrote:
On November 16 2013 07:38 Ryuu314 wrote:
On November 16 2013 07:23 AsmodeusXI wrote:
I can't think of a jungler I don't buy MoBos on, but that's because I GOTTA GO FAST

I like swifties on Udyr cause he really wants that extra movespeed at all times, not just before fights break out. Altho Tabis or Mercs are usually the safer choice for fighting.

I'll also occasionally get them on Volibear, they work well on him.


There's an argument for getting them on Vi too because it practically eliminates her Vault Breaker self-slow but idk if that's a good enough trade-off for being able to cross the map like a rocket ship with fists.

I don't think it's worth it on vi, either mobilities for early game, tabi for tank vi or treads for carry vi. I can see the value of swiftness but imo in all three ways to play vi I think there are better options.


Yeah, I agree. It's just highly amusing not to have a slow on that skill.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
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