[Patch 3.12] (j/k) Jinx General Discussion - Page 83

On October 07 2013 23:55 Ketara wrote:


I'm not really seeing this from a theoretical perspective, although I don't claim to be a good Zac player either.

In an ideal scenario you hit 5 with bounces and Exhaust is clearly better.

If Flash allows you to hit 1 extra person, Exhaust is still probably better because the aspd and damage reductions for 2.5 seconds is going to be reducing their ADC's damage output by more than a 1 second knockup is.

If Flash allows you to hit 2 extra people, Flash may win out. Is it really that helpful? I suppose maybe I can see this if the enemy team has like a Vayne who can easily knock you back as soon as you dive in. Hmm. HMM sir.

On October 08 2013 00:00 Requizen wrote:
Flash is still Flash, though. Imba summoners are imba.

Tautological statements are tautological.


I really hope they do something with summoner spells for S4 though. I mean, there was a decent stretch where Heal was super viable (I think we saw it like once at Worlds), Surge was cool in S2, CV used to be a really competitive pick for supports, etc. I'm tired of 10 Flashes, and 1-2 other summoner spells being viable per role.

I mean, balance comes first, the supposed map/jungle overhaul sure, but still.

On October 08 2013 00:01 Zdrastochye wrote:

Riot would win me over if they tried to eliminate flash from the game.

On October 08 2013 00:00 Requizen wrote:
Flash is still Flash, though. Imba summoners are imba.

Tautological statements are tautological.


I really hope they do something with summoner spells for S4 though. I mean, there was a decent stretch where Heal was super viable (I think we saw it like once at Worlds), Surge was cool in S2, CV used to be a really competitive pick for supports, etc. I'm tired of 10 Flashes, and 1-2 other summoner spells being viable per role.

I mean, balance comes first, the supposed map/jungle overhaul sure, but still.

On October 08 2013 00:03 Ketara wrote:


The thing about Flash is that it looks cool and creates cool, enjoyable to watch gameplay, which the other summoners to large degree just don't do as well.

So I think Riot is pretty okay with Flash being the best summoner (as a general statement)

On October 08 2013 00:03 red_ wrote:


... and put in Blink Dagger!!! =p

On October 07 2013 20:54 Capped wrote:
Zac is such a solid top. Really hard to lose with him. Combo chunks like a bitch and so easy to farm with him while building full tank

On October 08 2013 00:16 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I don't actually have any problems with flash. It's just assumed that everyone has it in game, and you play with and deal with it. Yeah, it sucks when you try and focus a team, and everyone barely flashes and gets away, but it works both ways.

Alternatively, I would love to have a Force Staff. That thing is one of my favorite things in any video game ever.

On October 08 2013 00:19 sung_moon wrote:


I can tell you whenever I see something like an Elise/J4/Xin/Vi and then a Zac on enemy team and I'm top, I insta-lock Vlad/Nasus. If its Zac top, I've never been more farmed on those champs ever, and (now with his nerfs) Zac is just hopelessly out sustained and pushed out of lane in both those m/u's.

On October 08 2013 00:23 overt wrote:
People have been complaining about Flash being too strong for three years. If Flash were removed or heavily nerfed so many champions go from niche to completely unviable (Annie and Galio are major ones that come to mind). You want to run a mid or top laner that doesn't have a built in blink? Too bad. I mean, it's already kind of like that when you think about it and removing Flash would make it even worse.

I don't even want to think about how good Malphite suddenly becomes. Or how much more valuable ADCs with good escape skills become. Flash is fine, I don't think there's anything wrong with having one summoner spell that out classes all the others so long as the second summoner spell slots are more varied.

In mid or top lane you're gonna see Ignite or Teleport about 95% of the time. On an ADC it's Barrier or Cleanse. Supports typically forced to run Exhaust/Flash but it was cool when Heal was viable and it's awesome when you see supports opt for an Ignite instead. It'd be cool if they buffed up or introduced some other spells to make your second summoner more of a strategic choice (sort of like the choice between Ignite or TP, Barrier or Cleanse). But I don't think removing Flash would work and I don't think it needs to be nerfed (pros already fail wall Flashes lol).

On October 08 2013 00:27 Requizen wrote:

Well, at the same time, removing Flash gives an opportunity to nerf high mobility champions and buff low-mobility champions. In the context of the current balance, removing Flash would cause panic and chaos. But that's not to say they can't balance with that in mind.

On October 08 2013 00:26 turdburgler wrote:
how does zac bring more to a team fight than nasus. zac is like yay a knock up. where as nasus is a strong peeler.

On October 08 2013 00:31 Zdrastochye wrote:


Your wood league is showing.

On October 08 2013 00:26 turdburgler wrote:
how does zac bring more to a team fight than nasus. zac is like yay a knock up. where as nasus is a strong peeler.

On October 08 2013 00:28 overt wrote:


I kind of like League of Legends. I don't want them to change the entire game, rebalancing most of the champion pool, just so they can remove Flash... I don't think many players would want that tbh.