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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
He's got shit damage that's made up for by utility (which is awesome!) and being a lane bully. Except he's NOT a lane bully. He used to be a lane bully but now he's just a crappy has been in lane. 42% winrate in solo queue can probably attest to that. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
urgot was only popular when genja started playing him purely tank trying to compete with adc in damage with him is beyond dumb and thats why all these calculations are bad he's got 2 forms of defensive abilities a slow an armour AND damage dealt debuff and a great initiation tool as well as damage that can follow people long distances (aka adcs) if he was melee everyone would jungle him and play him full tank everyone is like amagerd but muramana just like every silver level nasus rushes sheen i mean urgot phase was the only phase in the last like 2 years that people ran comps without a proper "adc". There have been comps with APs, without tanks, without bruisers and without assassins but always with an adc except if when people ran urgot. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35152 Posts
On October 26 2013 23:55 Ketara wrote: Yes, that is why his damage is terrible nafta, thank you for stating the obvious. He's got shit damage that's made up for by utility (which is awesome!) and being a lane bully. Except he's NOT a lane bully. He used to be a lane bully but now he's just a crappy has been in lane. 42% winrate in solo queue can probably attest to that. Soloq winrate can be deceiving. Olaf was sub 50% when he was first pick/ban. Note: I'm not saying Urgot is first pick/ban strong. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
We've got a champion with a cool kit who plays differently from any other champion in his defined role, and it's a playstyle that with the current assassin comps we're seeing should actually do very well. He's unique and interesting and makes for 5v5 playstyles that could be very different from conventional compositions. But mana cost and mobility creep have gutted his laning experience so hard that it's impossible to take him to lane now. And yet even with Riot going all over the place lowering mana costs on all these different champions, reworking Olaf, Heimerdinger, Xerath, Skarner etc all at once, Urgot who has lower play and winrates than any of them is not getting touched. What the fuck. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
its not some evil riot ploy to destroy old champions, they just nerfed him really hard. people dont like playing against him a lot so like poppy he's probably not a priority. | ||
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
you do need a specific team comp to play him. I thought TL was against the homogenization of champs anyway. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On October 26 2013 23:49 Ketara wrote: You want a high damage ADC? Twitch over 5 seconds deals 5591 phys damage and 528 true damage in an AoE that outranges Urgots acid bomb. Kogmaw deals 5069 damage plus 46% of their maximum HP. What the fuck is that shit? Buff Urgot. again, ketara, stop focusing on just one little aspect. Urgot's ult is beyond fucking bonkers when done correctly. | ||
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Dusty
United States3359 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On October 27 2013 00:02 Slayer91 wrote: what are you talking about its not some evil riot ploy to destroy old champions, they just nerfed him really hard. people dont like playing against him a lot so like poppy he's probably not a priority. I don't get why people QQing about something is a valid reason to completely gut a champ. | ||
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LaM
United States1321 Posts
He's boring to play against (did he hit E? let me get fucked with no option as I run back 10 feet behind tower), boring to play (did I hit E? let me sit here and auto with my durpy range because I missed), and is either strong enough to win his lane handily and snowball a win or not strong enough to win his lane handily and gets outscaled into an inevitable loss. Yes, other champions are dependent on snowball too, but they are usually useless or omnipotent too. Urgot is even worse because his snowball depends on him basically nullifying one of your players, which is something he either does or doesn't. There's really no in between where Urgot is valuable in a fight/comp without being able to shut down an enemy carry. Fights with urgot are always 4v5, just depends which team has it (the poppy problem). Urgot is poorly designed, as are most specific anti-carries in league. Carries aren't strong enough and CC not long enough in this game for anti-carries to be stopped when ahead, so the only way to have them in the game is to make them fucking useless. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On October 27 2013 01:03 Dusty wrote: Ketara, stop comparing him to ad carries, because he isn't one. I am not comparing him to ADC's. I was proving somebody wrong who said Urgot does lots of damage. Reading comprehension please. Urgot is an awesome champion who is completely unviable because the numbers on his kit are awful. If you don't think so, prove me wrong. You can't. Buff Urgot. | ||
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Inschato
Canada1349 Posts
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
I predict Orianna support. That bitch be cray cray. | ||
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Lylat
France8575 Posts
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On October 27 2013 01:39 turdburgler wrote: urgot isnt an ad carry. hes a bruiser with a ranged auto attack. why are you all calling for urgots damage to be increased. Who was saying Urgots damage should be increased? Can you show us the post where that was suggested? Because it didn't happen. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On October 27 2013 01:12 Numy wrote: I don't get why people QQing about something is a valid reason to completely gut a champ. #1 reason to play a game is fun unless you're pro pro scene driven by people who play for fun and then watch | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On October 27 2013 01:41 Ketara wrote: Who was saying Urgots damage should be increased? Can you show us the post where that was suggested? Because it didn't happen. listing tristanas, caitlyns, twitch and kogmaws damage and then saying buff urgot. listing 4 AD carries damage and then and then saying buff urgot implies 2 things, that urgot should be compared to ad carries (and is therefore and ad carry too) and that his problem is purely his damage. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On October 27 2013 01:41 Ketara wrote: Who was saying Urgots damage should be increased? Can you show us the post where that was suggested? Because it didn't happen. it was implied when you were talking about twitch and kog dmg | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On October 27 2013 01:42 Slayer91 wrote: #1 reason to play a game is fun unless you're pro pro scene driven by people who play for fun and then watch So the people that have fun playing the champ don't matter. Only people that are vocal about their dislike of said champ. | ||
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