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On October 24 2013 08:16 daemir wrote:Was this discussed already (probably was), the going ons with this picture here: support gold wtfkrepo with 500 more gold than their singed while singed still has ~200cs? Okay, krepo stole 2 kills and 9 assists, but still, that's a lot of gold. Not to even mention Sona who has more gold than their akali luls. Seems like awesome time to be a support.
10/5/11 akali with 200 cs poorer than a 1/5/23 sona
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On October 24 2013 08:16 daemir wrote:Was this discussed already (probably was), the going ons with this picture here: support gold wtfkrepo with 500 more gold than their singed while singed still has ~200cs? Okay, krepo stole 2 kills and 9 assists, but still, that's a lot of gold. Not to even mention Sona who has more gold than their akali luls. Seems like awesome time to be a support.
Lovelin is a god.
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bloodrazor is back apparently
looks like it might be AD rather than on hit based on meteos item choice
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On October 24 2013 08:22 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2013 08:16 daemir wrote:Was this discussed already (probably was), the going ons with this picture here: support gold wtfkrepo with 500 more gold than their singed while singed still has ~200cs? Okay, krepo stole 2 kills and 9 assists, but still, that's a lot of gold. Not to even mention Sona who has more gold than their akali luls. Seems like awesome time to be a support. Also worth noting the item slots that are photoshopped out. Prob new items.
not sure why they would do that only to leave that MBR showing.
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On October 24 2013 08:22 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2013 08:15 JimmiC wrote:
As much people don't like it Riot is a business and makes there money of there player base buying shit. So saying silver 5's don't know shit and shouldn't be listened too is a dumb way of looking at it. Bronze to silver accounts for what % of players? Add gold 5 and you are at nearly 80% over 90% with gold added. The game will not be balanced and made for the pro level of play. It will be done for the majority of players. Then they will try to tweak to keep pros happy and keep them as a great advertizeing tool. But people thinking that because pro's are better or diamound players are better they therefore understand whats better for the game is not true. They better understand what is better for there level of play.
But face it, if your above silver your out fo the target market. Doesn't mean they don't care, just they don't care as much. Nor as a business should they.
There's a difference between addressing their complaints and taking their suggestions. Obviously you should pay attention to all the complaints your playerbase has. But using their ham-fisted attempts at solutions such as a 7th ward item slot is almost never the best solution to their problems.
Another thing that annoys me is that they chose to give more gold to supports.
-> Xpecial mentioned how they're making utility scale from AP (eg farm)
-> Morello talked about buffing supports like Sona or Janna designed as such when someone mentioned Annie/Zyra/etc. definitely taking them over once they can build AP
From this it sounds like supports will move away from their level-scaling and lean more toward farm-scaling. This would remove/weaken a dimension from the game (imagine if Fiddle's Q duration scales off of AP, him reaching level 5 and 9 wouldn't be as important as right now, getting his NLR on the other hand... ), it would be harder to find timings to leverage (and they'd mostly be focused on items).
This would also mean that despite Riot claiming to "reduce snowballing", having all 5 champions rely on gold for their effectiveness (and benefitting from it) compared to only 3-4 currently (depending on comps) would make the gold differential even more impactful since now it doesn't matter if your support is the same level or ahead of your opponent's if he has 60 more AP than you or something.
For a weird-sounding comparison, it'd be like jungle s2, except now you rely on item timing rather than levels and you need items to keep up, despite you being high-utility.
On October 24 2013 08:29 Ketara wrote:
I don't understand why you'd want mpen on an AP support.
I certainly wouldn't want mpen on Janna or Soraka. I'd want AP.
Try hybrid or MPen runes on Lulu.
On October 24 2013 08:36 Slayer91 wrote:
bloodrazor is back apparently
looks like it might be AD rather than on hit based on meteos item choice
Morello mentioned introducing a "Wriggle's 2" item, with more slot-efficiency. May be that and they're just using the icon as a placeholder.
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everyone just tunnels on DAMAGE when they hear support gold, I think of things like super fast 40%cdr Raka and Leona with actual tank items, shit not to be trifled with.
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I was starting to think that I was the only one who noticed the MBR in the income picture everyone is raving about
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On October 24 2013 08:43 Slusher wrote:
everyone just tunnels on DAMAGE when they hear support gold, I think of things like super fast 40%cdr Raka and Leona with actual tank items, shit not to be trifled with.
early sheen on leona confirmed for real terror. just adds 200+ damage to her post 6 all ins. basically makes them unsurvivable. leona is passively so tanky that if they are hitting you in 2v2 battles you should be winning the fights so more tankiness during lane phase has imo debatable value.
i guess it depends how much more gold supports are gonna be getting.
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On October 24 2013 08:38 Slusher wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2013 08:22 Ketara wrote:On October 24 2013 08:16 daemir wrote:Was this discussed already (probably was), the going ons with this picture here: support gold wtfkrepo with 500 more gold than their singed while singed still has ~200cs? Okay, krepo stole 2 kills and 9 assists, but still, that's a lot of gold. Not to even mention Sona who has more gold than their akali luls. Seems like awesome time to be a support. Also worth noting the item slots that are photoshopped out. Prob new items. not sure why they would do that only to leave that MBR showing.
The items aren't edited out, they probably just don't have icons. Might just be a line in the shop that you buy and you get this black box of secret stats
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damnit, has there been any word on a new champ being released yet?
I want to buy shyvana but she's next in line to be reduced in IP, so I don't want to waste 1500 IP if I can wait a week...  But they might not release one for a long time since preseason changes...
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On October 24 2013 07:18 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2013 07:02 Slayer91 wrote:
Took me 2 games and 40 kills to get garen banned in EU inhouses
wheres the garen haters we have vods Though a lot of that might have to do with playing a pretty snowbally champion in a dia 1 vs gold who doesn't even main it top.
real.
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On October 24 2013 08:16 daemir wrote:Was this discussed already (probably was), the going ons with this picture here: support gold wtfkrepo with 500 more gold than their singed while singed still has ~200cs? Okay, krepo stole 2 kills and 9 assists, but still, that's a lot of gold. Not to even mention Sona who has more gold than their akali luls. Seems like awesome time to be a support.
Both junglers most gold and kills on team by miles.
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To be fair, one of those junglers was Lovelin.
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On October 24 2013 08:47 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2013 08:43 Slusher wrote:
everyone just tunnels on DAMAGE when they hear support gold, I think of things like super fast 40%cdr Raka and Leona with actual tank items, shit not to be trifled with. early sheen on leona confirmed for real terror. just adds 200+ damage to her post 6 all ins. basically makes them unsurvivable. leona is passively so tanky that if they are hitting you in 2v2 battles you should be winning the fights so more tankiness during lane phase has imo debatable value. i guess it depends how much more gold supports are gonna be getting.
Yeah but that particular scenario presumably involves your Leona getting really fed off like an early double kill. Normal scenario now would mean the enemy can counter with terror items of their own.
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Kill me now. (Paging Seuss and Yango for a laugh.)
It sometimes baffles me how they can fine tune some balancing aspects that I wouldn't ever dare touch with a 10-foot pole because I've got no experience toward it, and yet they still fall for such crutches and ideas you can label as "do not want" at first sight.
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On October 24 2013 08:58 Alaric wrote:Kill me now. (Paging Seuss and Yango for a laugh.) It sometimes baffles me how they can fine tune some balancing aspects that I wouldn't ever dare touch with a 10-foot pole because I've got no experience toward it, and yet they still fall for such crutches and ideas you can label as "do not want" at first sight.
It feels like they keep digging themselves deeper and deeper into a hole.
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so now people will never ever buy wards cuz they will just want to get big useful game changing powerful support items instead gj
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im curious though. you guys are all saying that by painting people in to more fixed roles (+dmg to jungle monster items etc) they are hurting the game in the long term, presumably from limiting creativity etc. but you are all ok with support centric items and champions and masteries that all enforce the current meta and limit creativity?
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On October 24 2013 08:47 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2013 08:43 Slusher wrote:
everyone just tunnels on DAMAGE when they hear support gold, I think of things like super fast 40%cdr Raka and Leona with actual tank items, shit not to be trifled with. early sheen on leona confirmed for real terror. just adds 200+ damage to her post 6 all ins. basically makes them unsurvivable. leona is passively so tanky that if they are hitting you in 2v2 battles you should be winning the fights so more tankiness during lane phase has imo debatable value. i guess it depends how much more gold supports are gonna be getting.
when i played leona + support bot lane a lot trinity rush leona was a beast
sheen rush stronk
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