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So, Teemo shrooms now give gold, which is nice.
Phage/Triforce cost increase + Rage passive tweaked/nerfed for ADCs was needed and are fine with me, and nerfs Corki back to a more reasonable level.
Thresh now rewards good play and not just random hooks every 15s or so.
Ryze change seems potentially very strong.
Lucian changes were needed, but probably not enough to make him viable.
Olaf rework/changes seem extensive and probably reshape his full kit, but since I don't play as him and only see him in like 1 out of 100 games, I have no comment on the changes.
Katarina changes mean if she gets her full ult off, it should do more damage than pre-3.12, but should be a bit easier to interrupt now.
Garen VU is meh.
Jinx probably gets implemented after Worlds final; like s3 ends and Riot goes, "Thanks for watching, here's a preview of s4 champs + items. Oh, and Jinx's live now."
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I love the Men in Black references for the Olaf patch context.
Old and busted? New hotness.
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Dunno how viable Olaf will be, but he's always been and will continue to be a strong 1v2 option with axes. As long as he's overall stronger than nerfed Olaf I think he'll be pick-able for pro games.
On October 01 2013 08:52 Kinie wrote:
Ryze change seems potentially very strong.
Meh. Ryze still sucks. You can't take away 50 range from a champ and expect 5 movespeed to make up for it.
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On October 01 2013 08:54 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2013 08:52 Kinie wrote:
Ryze change seems potentially very strong.
Meh. Ryze still sucks. You can't take away 50 range from a champ and expect 5 movespeed to make up for it.
I agree with that, but the increased base speed and increased speed when he ults should make him slightly better for chasing weak champs in team fights.
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The cost of Cassiopeia's Petrifying Gaze is too damn high
Best part of the patch right there.
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On October 01 2013 08:56 Kinie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2013 08:54 Ryuu314 wrote:On October 01 2013 08:52 Kinie wrote:
Ryze change seems potentially very strong.
Meh. Ryze still sucks. You can't take away 50 range from a champ and expect 5 movespeed to make up for it. I agree with that, but the increased base speed and increased speed when he ults should make him slightly better for chasing weak champs in team fights.
sure maybe a little bit, but that's not where ryze has problems right now anyway. If you can get him into the midgame with good items he's still pretty strong. However, no competent opponent is going to let that happen because his laning is so abysmal (and this change will do nothing to fix that).
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On October 01 2013 08:54 Ryuu314 wrote:Dunno how viable Olaf will be, but he's always been and will continue to be a strong 1v2 option with axes. As long as he's overall stronger than nerfed Olaf I think he'll be pick-able for pro games. Show nested quote +On October 01 2013 08:52 Kinie wrote:
Ryze change seems potentially very strong.
Meh. Ryze still sucks. You can't take away 50 range from a champ and expect 5 movespeed to make up for it.
His itemisation also was affected, seeing as how he no longer gets damage from building Spirit Visage and Banshee's Veil.
The movespeed is a good start though.
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What would happen if you let ryze's ult have a passive effect, that grants a portion of the stats(like 20ms, and 5-10% spellvamp innately)
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On October 01 2013 09:12 JazzVortical wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2013 08:54 Ryuu314 wrote:Dunno how viable Olaf will be, but he's always been and will continue to be a strong 1v2 option with axes. As long as he's overall stronger than nerfed Olaf I think he'll be pick-able for pro games. On October 01 2013 08:52 Kinie wrote:
Ryze change seems potentially very strong.
Meh. Ryze still sucks. You can't take away 50 range from a champ and expect 5 movespeed to make up for it. His itemisation also was affected, seeing as how he no longer gets damage from building Spirit Visage and Banshee's Veil. The movespeed is a good start though.
Spirit Visage gives him damage from CDR. Afaik, it never game him anything else than CDR?
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So many jokes in these patch notes. Riot turning into a real comedian.
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Doh. At least riot didn't nerf any assassins that got fed off morello this time.
On October 01 2013 09:24 LaM wrote:
So many jokes in these patch notes. Riot turning into a real comedian.
Indeed, they have no idea how to treat fotm champions.
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"We made a terrible mistake with Katarina and we will now revert her back to her pre-rework."
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i've literally been saying that the rework was a shitty idea since it was announced :/
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so nasus hard counters yorick and teemo now? gonna buy oracle for nasus from now on hehehehe
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On October 01 2013 09:29 Sufficiency wrote:
"We made a terrible mistake with Katarina and we will now revert her back to her pre-rework."
Let's give a warm welcome to Top Lane Tank Katarina. I will exert violence on premature kittens if this happens.
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Can't stack 9 pots anymore. So i guess it won't be as easy as it used to (that's how it was played right?)
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On October 01 2013 10:02 Anakko wrote:
Can't stack 9 pots anymore. So i guess it won't be as easy as it used to (that's how it was played right?)
Just get a doran's shield instead?
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On October 01 2013 09:12 JazzVortical wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2013 08:54 Ryuu314 wrote:Dunno how viable Olaf will be, but he's always been and will continue to be a strong 1v2 option with axes. As long as he's overall stronger than nerfed Olaf I think he'll be pick-able for pro games. On October 01 2013 08:52 Kinie wrote:
Ryze change seems potentially very strong.
Meh. Ryze still sucks. You can't take away 50 range from a champ and expect 5 movespeed to make up for it. His itemisation also was affected, seeing as how he no longer gets damage from building Spirit Visage and Banshee's Veil. The movespeed is a good start though.
Ryze never really wanted to get a banshee's veil, RoA is so much better. And spirit visage's 20% CDR is better for his damage anyway (unless you were already going to get a FH)
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On October 01 2013 09:44 justiceknight wrote:
so nasus hard counters yorick and teemo now? gonna buy oracle for nasus from now on hehehehe
because he gets 5 gold per ghoul, and 10 per shroom?
lol?
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On October 01 2013 10:11 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2013 09:44 justiceknight wrote:
so nasus hard counters yorick and teemo now? gonna buy oracle for nasus from now on hehehehe because he gets 5 gold per ghoul, and 10 per shroom? lol?
easier to stack q i'd imagine
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