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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On October 30 2013 05:13 wei2coolman wrote: So what happens when minions get the turret kill? Last person who hits it gets the gold? Also I approve of a lot of these changes. grants local gold for anyone in the general area Looks like a flat amount for everyone on the team, and extra gold for anyone nearby. If no one nearby, no one extra gold. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19573 Posts
On October 30 2013 05:27 AsmodeusXI wrote: I mean, CLG.EU vs. WE focused much more on lane farming iirc (as did most of S2), while S3 was about quickly taking objectives and pushing those advantages as soon as they were available. That's very different to me. Of course, maybe you mean that eventually both "metas" result in taking turrets, Baron, and Nexuses, in which case I agree but you didn't say anything? tl;dr Elucidate pls In the infamous "ward kill cheer" game, basically what happened is CLG.EU was ahead, but did nothing even slightly risky, just kind of dancing around outside of turret range and oscillating between objectives. They didn't lose their advantage by doing that. Instead, they just controlled baron several times and eventually won because defending generates no additional gold vs. being aggressive. Teams just execute the same philosophy using different champions and crisper execution. | ||
AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On October 30 2013 05:38 cLutZ wrote: In the infamous "ward kill cheer" game, basically what happened is CLG.EU was ahead, but did nothing even slightly risky, just kind of dancing around outside of turret range and oscillating between objectives. They didn't lose their advantage by doing that. Instead, they just controlled baron several times and eventually won because defending generates no additional gold vs. being aggressive. Teams just execute the same philosophy using different champions and crisper execution. Hm. Interesting thought. I wonder if one could boil the S2 -> S3 metagame changes down to a base cause of faster games. Would make sense with the assassin metagame for sure. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
On October 30 2013 05:34 Requizen wrote: Looks like a flat amount for everyone on the team, and extra gold for anyone nearby. If no one nearby, no one extra gold. Rioter in the reddit thread also said people who damaged the turret within the last X seconds (where X=30 currently) also get credit for helping kill the turret. It seems difficult to just lose out on the bonus gold for killing a turret. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On October 30 2013 05:40 AsmodeusXI wrote: Hm. Interesting thought. I wonder if one could boil the S2 -> S3 metagame changes down to a base cause of faster games. Would make sense with the assassin metagame for sure. I mean, part of the assassin metagame spawning was the change to penetration, as well as the ease of sustain early on. Both of those in conjunction with one another made a very happy system for assassins to shine. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19573 Posts
On October 30 2013 05:40 AsmodeusXI wrote: Hm. Interesting thought. I wonder if one could boil the S2 -> S3 metagame changes down to a base cause of faster games. Would make sense with the assassin metagame for sure. Well, certainly that game would have been different if the teams were playing zed instead of karthus. But really what CLG did was exactly what an SKTT1 would do, they warded up the baron-side jungle, and kept clearing out WE's vision. They just didn't really have the champion composition to get an easy kill. Certainly the more popular junglers also are part of that. Jarvan, Vi, and Lee all have multiple jumps, while Chogath and Skarner dont, and Maokai only has one. On October 30 2013 05:48 jcarlsoniv wrote: I mean, part of the assassin metagame spawning was the change to penetration, as well as the ease of sustain early on. Both of those in conjunction with one another made a very happy system for assassins to shine. The weird part about the assassins, is somehow they are also very safe, and very good at staying ahead. Its obviously a conundrum that isn't likely to change anytime soon. But the point is, that if you are ahead, you don't have to do risky things to get further ahead, and in fact being risky is the only way to prevent you from getting further ahead. | ||
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
On October 30 2013 05:40 AsmodeusXI wrote: Hm. Interesting thought. I wonder if one could boil the S2 -> S3 metagame changes down to a base cause of faster games. Would make sense with the assassin metagame for sure. I can't say how s2 metagame was, as I wasn't playing back then. But from my (limited) understanding of s3 metagame, it revolved around taking early objectives + dragon control, then using that excess gold to gain vision in the enemy jungle. In turn, this let your team (especially the assassin-type champs) get "free" kills/picks to get them gold to snowball into a large item. Rinse and repeat this 3-4 times, and by the 30 minute mark your top laner should be tanky with 1 damage item, mid being able to 100-0 a non-tanky enemy champ, jungler being nigh unkillable, ADC being able to AA with IE + PD on them and nothing else, and the support still dispensing wards out. The enemy team is shoved into their base, is 5-10k gold behind and 1+ major item purchases behind, and unless the team ahead makes a HUGE error (aka Baron throws) it's highly unlikely for the team behind to be able to catch up to win the game. | ||
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Ghost-z
United States1291 Posts
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
On October 30 2013 06:02 Ghost-z wrote: Well the proposed S4 changes to %pen should ease the assassin meta. For those who didn't catch it they were talking about changing Last Whisper and Voide Staff to "Ignore 35% of targets BONUS resistance" It's a good change. It's just so silly that buying a single resist item makes it cost-effective to buy the %pen items, you don't even have to be stacking resists. | ||
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Inschato
Canada1349 Posts
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
On October 30 2013 06:02 Ghost-z wrote: Well the proposed S4 changes to %pen should ease the assassin meta. For those who didn't catch it they were talking about changing Last Whisper and Voide Staff to "Ignore 35% of targets BONUS resistance" That means ADC w/ LW will do less dmg to bruisers that have pretty high base AR gains. Supports actually having items will make a bigger difference in them getting 1shot, but ADCs with terrible AR gains and no scaling MR will probably still be very squishy | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On October 30 2013 06:10 Inschato wrote: So did none of the people praising the Chinese Sivir art notice she has a double jointed thumb? I mean, people are so critical of splash arts and somehow that one seems to have slipped you by. (No no, I get it, you're too busy looking elsewhere) You kind of disproved your own point though. The art was so good it diverted everyone's attention away from it's flaws. If you gonna distract a male at least do it right. | ||
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AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On October 30 2013 06:11 xes wrote: That means ADC w/ LW will do less dmg to bruisers that have pretty high base AR gains. Supports actually having items will make a bigger difference in them getting 1shot, but ADCs with terrible AR gains and no scaling MR will probably still be very squishy That sounds about right to me! (unless I'm missing something) | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On October 30 2013 06:10 Inschato wrote: So did none of the people praising the Chinese Sivir art notice she has a double jointed thumb? I mean, people are so critical of splash arts and somehow that one seems to have slipped you by. (No no, I get it, you're too busy looking elsewhere) I can do that with my thumbs. It feels slightly uncomfortable, but not a faulty drawing by any means.Unless my thumbs aren't normal, in which case disregard what I said. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
Now the blademistress Morgana.. that one is crazy good. | ||
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
Chinese blademistress morgana reminds me of this + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.timelesstrinkets.com/Other/Images/TrollHotPinkHairBaby.jpg) | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
Crap, pretend I didn't say that so Riot doesn't take the above seriously. | ||
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