EPTOn October 23 2013 07:58 jcarlsoniv wrote:
K well, apparently I'm the minority here. Was just trying to be consistent.
K well, apparently I'm the minority here. Was just trying to be consistent.
For the record, I'm with you on this one.
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
For the record, I'm with you on this one. | ||
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petered
United States1817 Posts
Feel free to check it out if you want to know the truth about junglers. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 23 2013 08:35 cLutZ wrote: Well, I can tell you the reason...its because competitive play is currently being dominated by teams with high individual skill and then snowballing leads generated in laning without ever engaging in a 5v5 (because someone always dies). That is basically soloQ, except its "picks" rather than pure facechecking. Incidentally, some of the best teams at Worlds played styles I think could never function in solo queue. You can't jungle like Lovelin does in solo queue. No matter how high of a level of play you're at, it simply makes zero sense to expect to be successful playing a style that requires 100% faith in your laners to make good on the fact that you're basically sacrificing yourself for them, and requires 100% trust that when you go ham 1v5 in the most absurd scenarios, they will follow up and clean up. It's just not possible to put that kind of faith in 4 players you don't know and have no direct communication with. Even if you are all top-of-the-world players, it's still a prisoner's dilemma at best. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On October 23 2013 08:43 TheYango wrote: Incidentally, some of the best teams at Worlds played styles I think could never function in solo queue. You can't jungle like Lovelin does in solo queue. No matter how high of a level of play you're at, it simply makes zero sense to expect to be successful playing a style that requires 100% faith in your laners to make good on the fact that you're basically sacrificing yourself for them, and requires 100% trust that when you go ham 1v5 in the most absurd scenarios, they will follow up and clean up. It's just not possible to put that kind of faith in 4 players you don't know and have no direct communication with. Even if you are all top-of-the-world players, it's still a prisoner's dilemma at best. For sure, there are a lot of actual differences, for instance, longer laning phase which means you cant do a 0CS jungler because you would just fall too far behind. Or 3v2/ 2v1 dives at lvl 3. But those are mostly execution-based differences. Stylistically they seem more similar than not. In fact, the metas merged more in S3 because of that kind of snowballing/pick/splitpush style. In the beginning of S3 they were certainly much more divergent. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On October 23 2013 08:43 TheYango wrote: Incidentally, some of the best teams at Worlds played styles I think could never function in solo queue. You can't jungle like Lovelin does in solo queue. No matter how high of a level of play you're at, it simply makes zero sense to expect to be successful playing a style that requires 100% faith in your laners to make good on the fact that you're basically sacrificing yourself for them, and requires 100% trust that when you go ham 1v5 in the most absurd scenarios, they will follow up and clean up. It's just not possible to put that kind of faith in 4 players you don't know and have no direct communication with. Even if you are all top-of-the-world players, it's still a prisoner's dilemma at best. I vehemently disagree. It's totally possible to put that kind of faith in four complete, idiotic strangers. There just isn't a Snowmerdinger's chance in hell your faith will be rewarded. | ||
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Navi
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you know what kind of players u can trust to make worthwhile ur ganks and sacrifices and which ones u gotta carry. the chance that u get 4 of those is pretty low lel | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On October 23 2013 07:56 Requizen wrote: There's a difference between being excited for promotions and "omg look I played a game with a famous streamer"/"check out this 30/2/15 score I had!" posts. Not really... They're both in the same consistently present, consistently worthless category. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On October 23 2013 08:36 TheYango wrote: For the record, I'm with you on this one. Also agreed, but then again I've been one of the main advocates for 'everything in its place' in the subforum. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On October 23 2013 08:36 TheYango wrote: For the record, I'm with you on this one. I also disagree. The yay posts and the teamSucks posts are both pretty annoying. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On October 23 2013 07:34 TheYango wrote: Teut and I have had this fundamental disagreement for a long time where he feels that at the highest possible level the way solo queue is picked and played should highly resemble tournament play, where I think in the long run this shouldn't be the case once competitive play develops far enough. Again, this is hard to have a real discussion about because of how hard solo queue bandwagons on pro play regardless so it's hard to separate out the various factors. Personally, I think 5 individual players picking 5 strong heroes individually should look fundamentally different than a pro team picking a coherent teamcomp, but for various reasons, this is not the case right now. I don't think that's something Riot can control, it's something that will develop, just like now, pro play very different than solo queue. But the format should stay highly similar imo. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21245 Posts
galio confirmed op sorry based soniv | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On October 23 2013 11:01 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: i just played galio vs fizz and got carried by team galio confirmed op sorry based soniv hai5 i played one and carried I'm not really sure what to get as armor item though. Frozen Heart was nice, but I think zhonya's woulda been fun. | ||
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justiceknight
Singapore5741 Posts
On October 23 2013 11:01 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: i just played galio vs fizz and got carried by team galio confirmed op sorry based soniv | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On October 23 2013 11:13 jcarlsoniv wrote: hai5 i played one and carried I'm not really sure what to get as armor item though. Frozen Heart was nice, but I think zhonya's woulda been fun. randuins so you can slow people while you slow people. in unrelated news, i cant believe they are buffing scatter the weaks range. syndra is already a powerful mage imo and increasing the range on her stun is just crazy. did riot forget how far the balls travel when you use it? you can stun people at roughly the same range as VIs ult ;/ On October 23 2013 10:16 obesechicken13 wrote: I also disagree. The yay posts and the teamSucks posts are both pretty annoying. i dont think anyone thinks they are super cool, i just dont see the point of forcing some comments off in to side threads when a decent proportion of all comments are of no better quality, and it would be so stale if they were forced to be hyper constructive every time. | ||
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LoCicero
1100 Posts
Honestly I don't see how Morg is playable against all the FotM in solo queue. She moves too slow. Her Q is too slow. Her W clears too slow, and her ult takes too long to go off. On top of that her cooldowns are long. | ||
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ProV1
United States980 Posts
Wow... can words actually describe how amazing that video is. | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21245 Posts
On October 23 2013 11:13 jcarlsoniv wrote: hai5 i played one and carried I'm not really sure what to get as armor item though. Frozen Heart was nice, but I think zhonya's woulda been fun. zhonya if ur ahead fh if ur behind as in if ur doing mad deepz just get zhonyas if ur adc is ksing you all day get a fh randuins if u skip visage for some weird reason otherwise u dont need it just get the cdr ibg for trollage | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On October 23 2013 12:26 LoCicero wrote: Just played the most frustrating game as Morgana.. Nidalee, vayne, thresh, vi, renekton was the enemy team. Literally the only person I could kill was Thresh, even with with full damage and cdr. I was never at any point behind, but it didn't matter. My favorite time was when I tried to Q Vi and she ulted through it taking no damage and then I ulted on 5 people and then they all all pounced, tumbled, and walked out. Then I walked around for 5 seconds while we lost the game. Honestly I don't see how Morg is playable against all the FotM in solo queue. She moves too slow. Her Q is too slow. Her W clears too slow, and her ult takes too long to go off. On top of that her cooldowns are long. Support Morg is how. Mid Morgana's in a bad state. | ||
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