EPTSomebody splain plx?
[Patch 3.12] (j/k) Jinx General Discussion - Page 230
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Somebody splain plx? | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
shadow cant slash them and might even miss shuriken etc might not be able to proc double E effect might open up counterplay cuz zed needs to be next to target then ult for max damage, if you ult from a safe range your damage is most likely lower now | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12084 Posts
The Zed nerf. YESssss. Also, that Kassadin nerf. Definitely warranted. Fizz with the -.2AP ratio on his W's active has the potential to be huge. We'll see. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
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Lord Tolkien
United States12084 Posts
On October 17 2013 08:10 Ketara wrote: I wonder what kind of mid lane representation we'll see with Zed, Kassadin, Ahri and Fizz all being nerfed. Much more variety. Orianna and Gragas were picked heavily because they did well enough against the assassin mids. Abit too much to hope that this brings back some of the more static and immobile midlaners like Brand or TF, but current mid assassins are brought more into line with Talon/Kha/Akali. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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overt
United States9006 Posts
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
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Haiq343
United States2548 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [KassadinChanges] + Kassadin Base Magic Resist is now 30 (Down from 31.25) Base Magic Resist no longer scales with levels Null Sphere [ Q ] - Now deals 80/115/150/185/220 magic damage (Down from 80/130/180/230/280) Null Sphere [ Q ] - Now silences the target for 1.5/1.8/2/2.3/2.5 seconds (changed from 1/1.4/1.8/2.2/2.6) Null Sphere [ Q ] - Now costs 70/75/80/85/90 Mana (Changed from 70/80/90/100/110) Riftwalk [ R ] - Now deals 70/100/130 Damage (Up from 60/70/80) Riftwalk [ R ] - Now scales by +0.6*AP (down from +0.8*AP) Riftwalk [ R ] - Tooltip now says: 'Each cast of Riftwalk adds a stack of Mana Leak for 8 seconds, causing subsequent Riftwalks to cost an additional Mana per stack.' Riftwalk [ R ] - Added to the tooltip: 'Each enemy Champion hit by Riftwalk adds a stack of Void Surge for 8 seconds, causing subsequent Riftwalks to deal an additional 35/50/65 (+0.2*AP) magic damage per stack.' + Show Spoiler [Zed] + Zed Death Mark [ R ] - Now spawns a Living Shadow at his starting location, instead of behind the enemy champion after dashing at them. Death Mark [ R ] - Added to the tooltip: 'Reactivating Death Mark during this time will cause Zed to switch positions with the Living Shadow created by Death Mark.' On October 17 2013 08:34 Ryuu314 wrote: really don't get why Riot wants to nerf Kassadin. He's never really been all that dominant and is honestly just a fringe pick. Only Fnatic and xPeke have managed to really use him well. Shirley you can't be serious. Kassadin works pretty similarly to Fizz --a supposedly weak early game that doesn't do nearly enough to cripple hilariously overpowered mobility & 1shot potential 'late'. The counterplay to Kassadin (and Fizz) after x minutes is to die while silenced/instantly. The option to unavoidably delete the priority target on the other team of your choice is... pretty fucking good yo. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
I challenge you to name more than 10 pro games in season 3 where Kassadin was pick/banned and Fnatic was NOT one of the teams playing. Heck, I did it for you. In OGN summer, he was pick/banned 0 times. During Spring, he was more relevant, but had a 50% winrate over 4 games, but was banned a decent amount. In NA LCS summer games, he was picked 9 times with a 44% winrate. In Spring, Kass was picked twice and lost both games. In EU, his pick and winrate go up drastically, but we can attribute that to Fnatic and xPeke. In LPL Summer, he was picked 7 times with a 57% winrate. Ignoring EU, Kassadin has less than 20% pick/ban rate with mediocre winrates throughout all of Season 3 across KR, NA, and CN. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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Amethyst21
Canada7032 Posts
On October 17 2013 08:42 Ryuu314 wrote: I'm being very serious. Kassadin is picked, but not nearly as much as Ahri, Zed, Fizz, Ori, Gragas. Outside of Fnatic, Kassadin is a niche pick at best to varying degrees of success. Fnatic and xPeke are literally the only people who actually pick Kassadin on a regular basis or is an actual threat. I challenge you to name more than 10 pro games in season 3 where Kassadin was pick/banned and Fnatic was NOT one of the teams playing. Edit: I had stats but they were posted already zzz | ||
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Amethyst21
Canada7032 Posts
On October 17 2013 08:17 overt wrote: Vulcun confirmed as worst namers ever. I could think of about 15 better names in 10 minutes. Seriously wtf | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
On October 17 2013 08:42 Ryuu314 wrote: I'm being very serious. Kassadin is picked, but not nearly as much as Ahri, Zed, Fizz, Ori, Gragas. Outside of Fnatic, Kassadin is a niche pick at best to varying degrees of success. Fnatic and xPeke are literally the only people who actually pick Kassadin on a regular basis or is an actual threat. I challenge you to name more than 10 pro games in season 3 where Kassadin was pick/banned and Fnatic was NOT one of the teams playing. Heck, I did it for you. In OGN summer, he was pick/banned 0 times. During Spring, he was more relevant, but had a 50% winrate over 4 games, but was banned a decent amount. In NA LCS summer games, he was picked 9 times with a 44% winrate. In Spring, Kass was picked twice and lost both games. In EU, his pick and winrate go up drastically, but we can attribute that to Fnatic and xPeke. In LPL Summer, he was picked 7 times with a 57% winrate. Ignoring EU, Kassadin has less than 20% pick/ban rate with mediocre winrates throughout all of Season 3 across KR, NA, and CN. since when does riot games balance the game around pros and not for the slobbering whining masses ahri nerfs kass nerfs thats all most people wanted | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On October 17 2013 08:42 Ryuu314 wrote: I'm being very serious. Kassadin is picked, but not nearly as much as Ahri, Zed, Fizz, Ori, Gragas. Outside of Fnatic, Kassadin is a niche pick at best to varying degrees of success. Fnatic and xPeke are literally the only people who actually pick Kassadin on a regular basis or is an actual threat. I challenge you to name more than 10 pro games in season 3 where Kassadin was pick/banned and Fnatic was NOT one of the teams playing. Heck, I did it for you. In OGN summer, he was pick/banned 0 times. During Spring, he was more relevant, but had a 50% winrate over 4 games, but was banned a decent amount. In NA LCS games, he was picked 9 times with a 44% winrate. In EU, his pick and winrate go up drastically, but we can attribute that to Fnatic and xPeke. The chinese use kassidan to a degree as well. Also, I hope you don't think winrate is a good measure of balance. The problem right now is tears with catalyst and flask make it so even if he gets denied early game he scales fine into mid and lategame. Which is a problem. It's pretty hard to truly shut him down. Personally I thought he was in a decent spot. | ||
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Haiq343
United States2548 Posts
Would give me 8, do I need to keep looking are you gonna concede this one? E: Huzzah you edited in a reasonable thought. I disagree, but you've presented a respectable argument so lets talk about why Fnatic might feel Kass is a priority pick but other teams less so. It's not like Fnatic is a scrub team so perhaps they have an insight or two? | ||
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