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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On October 17 2013 08:51 Haiq343 wrote: http://lol.gamepedia.com/2013_LPL_Summer/Picks_and_Bans Would give me 8, do I need to keep looking are you gonna concede this one? Inb4 winrate. Corki had below 50% winrate at worlds right? | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Haiq343
United States2548 Posts
On October 17 2013 08:54 wei2coolman wrote: Inb4 winrate. Corki had below 50% winrate at worlds right? | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On October 17 2013 08:54 wei2coolman wrote: Inb4 winrate. Corki had below 50% winrate at worlds right? Sure, winrate isn't everything, but you also have to take into consideration pick/ban rate. Kassadin is pick/banned in less than 20% of all pro games not in EU. Difference between Kassadin and Corki is Corki had an absurd pick/ban rate at Worlds - nearly 100%. Take out Fnatic's games and Kassadin's presence at worlds is almost nil. Corki at worlds is 48.5% winrate, but an absurd 92.4% pickrate. Compare that to Kassadin's 30.3% pick/ban rate, which drops to around 10% when you take out Fnatic's games. His winrate ignoring Fnatic's games is also about 50%. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
Idk though, I think most mids outside the assassin meta can make the game pretty boring. A fed AP nidalee is more bullshit than a lot of stuff. | ||
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Haiq343
United States2548 Posts
On October 17 2013 08:57 Ryuu314 wrote: Sure, winrate isn't everything, but you also have to take into consideration pick/ban rate. Kassadin is pick/banned in less than 20% of all pro games not in EU. Difference between Kassadin and Corki is Corki had an absurd pick/ban rate at Worlds - nearly 100%. Take out Fnatic's games and Kassadin's presence at worlds is almost nil. So why did Fnatic pick it then? It's not like he's a trollololol style pick, but an important part of a particular strategy they run. That in and of itself tells us nothing about the 'balance' of a hero. Scaling (&mobile, read: safe) assassins have a fucked up power curve in LoL atm, and Kassadin clearly fits into many of the same problem areas as Fizz & Zed even if he's less of a hilarious train wreck. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On October 17 2013 09:02 Haiq343 wrote: So why did Fnatic pick it then? It's not like he's a trollololol style pick, but an important part of a particular strategy they run. That in and of itself tells us nothing about the 'balance' of a hero. Scaling (&mobile, read: safe) assassins have a fucked up power curve in LoL atm, and Kassadin clearly fits into many of the same problem areas as Fizz & Zed even if he's less of a hilarious train wreck. Fnatic picks it because xPeke is a god on Kassadin. Kassadin is shut down through early lane pressure, but xPeke somehow always manages to find farm on Kassadin no matter what to stay relevant. Nerfing a champion because of how one player/team does on it is absurd. It's similar to how Anivia was pick/banned against CLG.eu virtually every single game long before Anivia became a staple Season 2 pick. Difference between Anivia/CLG.eu and Kassadin/Fnatic is that even when the metagame evolves to favor Kassadin, he's still a reasonably niche pick as opposed to Anivia's over 40% pick/ban rate during Season 2 when the meta favored farmy utility mages. On top of that, the nerf to Kassadin is pretty darn hefty. It's not a small adjustment, it's a giant nerfhammer swing. Over 20% damage reduction on his Q, removing his ability to realistically stack his ult, plus taking away his MR is a big nerf. His ult also lost a lot of AP scaling since they moved 0.2 AP scaling to the stacks, but it's much much harder to get stacks on his ult now. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On October 17 2013 09:09 Itsmedudeman wrote: His early game was slightly buffed. Silence lasts .5 seconds longer and the mana cost is reduced. This means you can silence 0 > last hit without worrying about taking too much harass. Also trade more effectively too. Sure, but the buff to his early game doesn't address why he's weak early on in lane (it's cause he's melee with poor base stats) nor does it really outweigh the nerfs to his lategame. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On October 17 2013 09:04 Ryuu314 wrote: Fnatic picks it because xPeke is a god on Kassadin. Kassadin is shut down through early lane pressure, but xPeke somehow always manages to find farm on Kassadin no matter what to stay relevant. Nerfing a champion because of how one player/team does on it is absurd. It's similar to how Anivia was pick/banned against CLG.eu virtually every single game long before Anivia became a staple Season 2 pick. Difference between Anivia/CLG.eu and Kassadin/Fnatic is that even when the metagame evolves to favor Kassadin, he's still a reasonably niche pick as opposed to Anivia's over 40% pick/ban rate during Season 2 when the meta favored farmy utility mages. On top of that, the nerf to Kassadin is pretty darn hefty. It's not a small adjustment, it's a giant nerfhammer swing. Over 20% damage reduction on his Q, removing his ability to realistically stack his ult, plus taking away his MR is a big nerf. His ult also lost a lot of AP scaling since they moved 0.2 AP scaling to the stacks, but it's much much harder to get stacks on his ult now. Fnatic also picks Kass because they love TP, and Kass basically needs TP in the earlygame, and is like the best user of it lategame. That said, they should have hit his lvl 6 ult, but not the lvl 16. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
I'm the best, I only charge $20 | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On October 17 2013 09:09 Itsmedudeman wrote: His early game was slightly buffed. Silence lasts .5 seconds longer and the mana cost is reduced. This means you can silence 0 > last hit without worrying about taking too much harass. Also trade more effectively too. I think whether or not it's an early game buff is questionable. It's a buff at rank 1 Q sure, but in the level 1-2 area silences don't mean much since there aren't many skills flying around. But since Q is what you're maxing (far as I'm aware, maybe it'll change to Force Pulse after the nerf?), from level 3 it's a damage nerf and at level 5 the silence time is fairly similar. His MR is also being reduced. It may be a small buff to his real early game (levels 1-3), but he's still going to be very fragile in lane pre 6. | ||
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lilwisper
United States2515 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On October 17 2013 09:34 Requizen wrote: Fear not, I shall carry Gahlo out of the pits of Silver into Gold. I'm the best, I only charge $20 Thanks for carrying ME, bro. | ||
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Disengaged
United States6994 Posts
Officer Caitlyn and Officer Vi gooooooooooooooooooo | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
You never fucking play anymore. And when you do it's like "oh, I don't know if I want to do ranked, I'm just going to play ARAMs". Scared noob. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23442 Posts
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