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On October 17 2013 12:19 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
I went Silver 3 to Gold 5 in like a week and a half, I would imagine sSilver 5 isn't much more of a leap if you're actually better than Silver 5.
Therein lies the problem. The silver 5s who estimate themselves to be much better than they are because "I win lane every game, my teams just fail." Which is why I hate using a rank to estimate players skill. But I guess there's no system in place to do this more effectively.
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On October 17 2013 12:19 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
I went Silver 3 to Gold 5 in like a week and a half, I would imagine sSilver 5 isn't much more of a leap if you're actually better than Silver 5.
Until things like your botlane going 5/20/X often. Because of how Riot fucked up the ladder, what constitutes as Silver V is a VERY wide margin.
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Speaking from experience last season, I agree that this is the most toxic time of the season around the Silver/Gold barrier. I got as close as one game away from gold multiple times in the last few days but always ran into trolls or boosters who crushed me in lane. Happy to keep gold worry free this season. Might aim for platinum in season 4. Probably won't get it, can't be zen enough to persevere and improve that much. Far too critical of every slight mistake I make.
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On October 17 2013 12:24 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 12:19 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
I went Silver 3 to Gold 5 in like a week and a half, I would imagine sSilver 5 isn't much more of a leap if you're actually better than Silver 5. Until things like your botlane going 5/20/X often. Because of how Riot fucked up the ladder, what constitutes as Silver V is a VERY wide margin.
And what constitutes a silver V also doesn't matter since you're matched with people based on MMR
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On October 17 2013 12:19 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
I went Silver 3 to Gold 5 in like a week and a half, I would imagine sSilver 5 isn't much more of a leap if you're actually better than Silver 5.
This is giving me hope... But whether that is a good thing or not I do not know. I'll spend all weekend massing games and if i dont reach gold ill cryyyyy.
Working full time sucks never get enough time to ranked, dont feel like playing seriously after work -_-
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Not sure if this belongs in QQ thread, but for the people making that grind from silver to gold, you should probably wait to play your games after 10 or 11PM. The games you play after hours versus the ones around 6 or 7PM are absolutely night and day. Had to report at least one person for 5 games because of rampant bitchiness or gold 5's pulling rank on silver 1's (lol). The average IQ just drops during the daytime.
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On October 17 2013 12:28 MattBarry wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 12:24 Gahlo wrote:On October 17 2013 12:19 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
I went Silver 3 to Gold 5 in like a week and a half, I would imagine sSilver 5 isn't much more of a leap if you're actually better than Silver 5. Until things like your botlane going 5/20/X often. Because of how Riot fucked up the ladder, what constitutes as Silver V is a VERY wide margin. And what constitutes a silver V also doesn't matter since you're matched with people based on MMR
Yes, and because of such I've seen things happen like A arguing with B and then intentionally throwing the game so B has to work harder to get out of Bronze. Bronze is incredibly toxic towards itself and once you dip down there while being in silver it becomes incredibly frustrating to get out of that bracket.
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On October 17 2013 12:29 SwizzY wrote:
Not sure if this belongs in QQ thread, but for the people making that grind from silver to gold, you should probably wait to play your games after 10 or 11PM. The games you play after hours versus the ones around 6 or 7PM are absolutely night and day. Had to report at least one person for 5 games because of rampant bitchiness or gold 5's pulling rank on silver 1's (lol). The average IQ just drops during the daytime.
Timezones pls. 10-11PM on the east coast means you still have a bunch of west coast kids potentially still awake and ready to rage.
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On October 17 2013 11:43 Ethelis wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 11:17 UniversalSnip wrote:
From lower than silver V to gold V in 9 days sounds excruciating for anyone but the most hardened nerd, and I don't see how it's possible for a non-smurf. Depends WHY you're silver V. I don't think it's excruciating at all. edit: I guess it may be 70% of the time or so...meh
No, if you have anything to do with your time besides play league, that is excruciating. The sheer time commitment is just awful.
Of course if you are legit silver V it's impossible.
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On October 17 2013 12:33 thenexusp wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 12:29 SwizzY wrote:
Not sure if this belongs in QQ thread, but for the people making that grind from silver to gold, you should probably wait to play your games after 10 or 11PM. The games you play after hours versus the ones around 6 or 7PM are absolutely night and day. Had to report at least one person for 5 games because of rampant bitchiness or gold 5's pulling rank on silver 1's (lol). The average IQ just drops during the daytime. Timezones pls. 10-11PM on the east coast means you still have a bunch of west coast kids potentially still awake and ready to rage.
+1. Riot shafts east coast again with NA homogenization.
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On October 17 2013 12:32 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 12:28 MattBarry wrote:On October 17 2013 12:24 Gahlo wrote:On October 17 2013 12:19 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
I went Silver 3 to Gold 5 in like a week and a half, I would imagine sSilver 5 isn't much more of a leap if you're actually better than Silver 5. Until things like your botlane going 5/20/X often. Because of how Riot fucked up the ladder, what constitutes as Silver V is a VERY wide margin. And what constitutes a silver V also doesn't matter since you're matched with people based on MMR Yes, and because of such I've seen things happen like A arguing with B and then intentionally throwing the game so B has to work harder to get out of Bronze. Bronze is incredibly toxic towards itself and once you dip down there while being in silver it becomes incredibly frustrating to get out of that bracket.
Yeah but the truly better players will carry themselves out of bronze. It's the same at every level of play. Bronze has the most toxicity in it due to it being the lowest rank there is, but it's also the easiest division for one person to carry themselves out of due to laners being generally piss poor and not having much clue of how to play late game scenarios. A low level silver player may never climb out of it, but if you're actually determined on getting better, and work on that first, it's an easy climb.
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On October 17 2013 12:37 Zdrastochye wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 12:32 Gahlo wrote:On October 17 2013 12:28 MattBarry wrote:On October 17 2013 12:24 Gahlo wrote:On October 17 2013 12:19 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
I went Silver 3 to Gold 5 in like a week and a half, I would imagine sSilver 5 isn't much more of a leap if you're actually better than Silver 5. Until things like your botlane going 5/20/X often. Because of how Riot fucked up the ladder, what constitutes as Silver V is a VERY wide margin. And what constitutes a silver V also doesn't matter since you're matched with people based on MMR Yes, and because of such I've seen things happen like A arguing with B and then intentionally throwing the game so B has to work harder to get out of Bronze. Bronze is incredibly toxic towards itself and once you dip down there while being in silver it becomes incredibly frustrating to get out of that bracket. Yeah but the truly better players will carry themselves out of bronze. It's the same at every level of play. Bronze has the most toxicity in it due to it being the lowest rank there is, but it's also the easiest division for one person to carry themselves out of due to laners being generally piss poor and not having much clue of how to play late game scenarios. A low level silver player may never climb out of it, but if you're actually determined on getting better, and work on that first, it's an easy climb.
Low silvers aren't that much better than high bronze. Anybody who things that a medal color change is super significant skill change is delusional. Taking a methodical way about getting of a bronze rut is a valid way to go about it, if it's say, mid season. Not when you have a small amount of time to cram to gold unless you have 0 responsibilities.
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On October 17 2013 12:29 ZataN wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 12:19 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
I went Silver 3 to Gold 5 in like a week and a half, I would imagine sSilver 5 isn't much more of a leap if you're actually better than Silver 5. This is giving me hope... But whether that is a good thing or not I do not know. I'll spend all weekend massing games and if i dont reach gold ill cryyyyy. Working full time sucks never get enough time to ranked, dont feel like playing seriously after work -_-
Do it dude, just relax and you'll get it npnp
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Realistically, with how clamping and being unable to drop leagues works a lot of people in high Bronze 1 are actually higher MMR than Silver 5.
It's the same with every division. By the time you actually go up a league your MMR is so inflated you're getting more than double LP for wins than you're losing for losses, skipping divisions, etc.
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On October 17 2013 12:42 Requizen wrote:
Soniv way too heavy.
Shoulda duo'ed with me. GG
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On October 17 2013 12:44 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 12:37 Zdrastochye wrote:On October 17 2013 12:32 Gahlo wrote:On October 17 2013 12:28 MattBarry wrote:On October 17 2013 12:24 Gahlo wrote:On October 17 2013 12:19 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
I went Silver 3 to Gold 5 in like a week and a half, I would imagine sSilver 5 isn't much more of a leap if you're actually better than Silver 5. Until things like your botlane going 5/20/X often. Because of how Riot fucked up the ladder, what constitutes as Silver V is a VERY wide margin. And what constitutes a silver V also doesn't matter since you're matched with people based on MMR Yes, and because of such I've seen things happen like A arguing with B and then intentionally throwing the game so B has to work harder to get out of Bronze. Bronze is incredibly toxic towards itself and once you dip down there while being in silver it becomes incredibly frustrating to get out of that bracket. Yeah but the truly better players will carry themselves out of bronze. It's the same at every level of play. Bronze has the most toxicity in it due to it being the lowest rank there is, but it's also the easiest division for one person to carry themselves out of due to laners being generally piss poor and not having much clue of how to play late game scenarios. A low level silver player may never climb out of it, but if you're actually determined on getting better, and work on that first, it's an easy climb. Low silvers aren't that much better than high bronze. Anybody who things that a medal color change is super significant skill change is delusional. Taking a methodical way about getting of a bronze rut is a valid way to go about it, if it's say, mid season. Not when you have a small amount of time to cram to gold unless you have 0 responsibilities.
Thus why you can see my argument before:
On October 17 2013 12:22 Zdrastochye wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 12:19 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
I went Silver 3 to Gold 5 in like a week and a half, I would imagine sSilver 5 isn't much more of a leap if you're actually better than Silver 5. Therein lies the problem. The silver 5s who estimate themselves to be much better than they are because "I win lane every game, my teams just fail." Which is why I hate using a rank to estimate players skill. But I guess there's no system in place to do this more effectively.
I don't agree with it either, but it's the closest thing to determining player skill that we have to work with, and in general if you are at a gold/plat level you're generally a better player than someone in bronze (who's stuck in bronze), so I think it's still better to work your way to be a better player before you worry about ranking up. Trying to rank up without a large skill discrepancy isn't feasible if you're taking into account time spent playing vs having a life outside the game. Best chance friend some diamonds who don't mind carrying your scrub ass.
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On October 17 2013 12:35 UniversalSnip wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 11:43 Ethelis wrote:On October 17 2013 11:17 UniversalSnip wrote:
From lower than silver V to gold V in 9 days sounds excruciating for anyone but the most hardened nerd, and I don't see how it's possible for a non-smurf. Depends WHY you're silver V. I don't think it's excruciating at all. edit: I guess it may be 70% of the time or so...meh No, if you have anything to do with your time besides play league, that is excruciating. The sheer time commitment is just awful. Of course if you are legit silver V it's impossible.
? To get to Silver V means you basically are/were Silver III mmr, it's not THAT bad. I mean like if you had recently gotten Silver V and went inactive for sometime then yes it's going to be awful.
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Isn't this just an ELO hell discussion with another name?
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On October 17 2013 12:54 Amarok wrote:
Isn't this just an ELO hell discussion with another name?
Not even close? ELO hell doesn't exist. Bronze has a high toxicity rate, that's the discussion.
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