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Big lead, bad players.
Serious face though, I prefer Kage's over Philo for Lulu in particular. If you can get an early Kage's in lane you do tons of damage.
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remedium
United States939 Posts
Big lead, bad players. Serious face though, I prefer Kage's over Philo for Lulu in particular. If you can get an early Kage's in lane you do tons of damage. | ||
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Vegetarian Wolf
China434 Posts
On October 17 2013 03:45 MoonBear wrote: Alright finally slogged through that entire nonsense. Ok. So, I get that these issues can become fairly emotional for some people. However, what I want to encourage is for people to step back. I do not see how it's necessary for people to become very emotion over patch changes. (You're welcome to try and convince me.) I think we can hold ourselves to a higher standard. Let's try a test for the rest of this week. When you state something, you have to offer at least a modicum of proof/analysis/explanation of your position. Questions are still fine. No name calling of any kind. And if I read something and I think it's just so incredibly stupid like running AP on Vayne or trashy one-liners I am going to mod action it instantly. I think it's a reasonable thing to ask for. what about things that arent blatantly stupid but no less incorrect, posted with "proof" and "analysis" that are lengthy but flawed? those pop up waaaaay too often here ~_~ | ||
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
On October 17 2013 03:07 turdburgler wrote: supports as a predefined class of heroes is the problem. giving them OP utility then wank scaling means they will never value gold and be forced in to the ward-bitch role, its inevitable. if they reworked all the support champs then you would see more fluidity in comps and play styles, more freedom to play how you want and in the end i think it would make a better game. why does lane swapping or annie support (thats effective) have to be something you only see at the highest level? playing janna and derping about for 30 mins shielding your adc and warding stuff isnt a rewarding experience, no matter how powerful they make her or how strong items she can get. i will play support for my team if/when i feel it will help us win, because i want to win, but that doesnt change the fact that i think the game would be a lot more healthy and dynamic if we stopped having dedicated support champs. It isn't an issue of champ design at all. An inherent part of lol's game design is that funneling all money onto one champion is more effective than spreading the money to all champs, due to multiplicative scaling. For example, if you have a team consisting of just two generic champions, and you can double the AD of one champ and then double the AS of one champ, to maximize team dps you'd choose to double the AD and AS on the same champ, rather than different champs. With that said, you obviously can't simply funnel all the gold, since the gold is all over the map. But, there are 4 distinct gold streams available - top, mid, bot, jungle. One champ can fully take advantage of one of these streams. But there are five champs on a team, so one champ is necessarily missing out on a source of income. Now if you think of the necessary act of warding as a negative income source, and the idea that it's best to give all money to one champ, it becomes clear that the player making the least money should be the ward bitch. Giving supports better scaling isn't going to magically cause it to become optimal to split farm with their AD or with any other player on the team. It would cause them to become playable in solo lanes (top lane lulu!) but there's still going to be a ward bitch regardless. If supports had less utility the ward bitch would still be there, except he would be even worse at his role and even less fun to play. | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
It's a creative, but terrible idea. | ||
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silencefc
United States875 Posts
A lot of people seem to get way better after higher players collectively shit on them in postgame discussion. Also I think my IRL friends would actually get more offended if I say "you're wrong" instead of "you're retarded/stupid/dumb". | ||
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Promises
Netherlands1821 Posts
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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ItsFunToLose
United States776 Posts
and for the record, Ketara is 100% right about fizz. I'm going to bold something, because apparently that's the only way people will read what you write. Fizz's early game CS is due to being able to threaten an all in. if you reduced any champion's auto attack damage by 10, you'd be crying "LOL GG, RIP" You're basically removing 20-40 damage from his level 2 trade, and then pretending he's going to hit the same item timings he does now when snowballing kills and 100% cs vs -20 cs in lane and no kill. and honestly, removing on hit from fizz Q wouldn't change much, you'd see singed style fling-auto combos doing the exact same thing it's doing now. User was temp banned for martyring and name calling. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On October 17 2013 03:48 remedium wrote: Big lead, bad players. Serious face though, I prefer Kage's over Philo for Lulu in particular. If you can get an early Kage's in lane you do tons of damage. I mean, it's nice and I do it from time to time too, but more vision is going to be worth more than the pittance extra damage/shield Kage's gives. Better than Philo sure, but that's not saying much lol. | ||
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Cixah
United States11285 Posts
On October 17 2013 03:59 silencefc wrote: I think the TLIH is anecdotal evidence that tough love works in getting the point across. A lot of people seem to get way better after higher players collectively shit on them in postgame discussion. Also I think my IRL friends would actually get more offended if I say "you're wrong" instead of "you're retarded/stupid/dumb". This part has worked for me so far. This season I've climbed from bronze 2 to float between gold 4/3/2. The push to gold is because I had been doing in houses and while it honestly sucks even playing with them simply because you don't want to get your shit put on blast by: Aura Roffles Milo Csheep And a few other ringers, but these are the main 4, It really does help. The biggest thing I've learned in this season is objective control. Like knowing where to be in comparison to the enemy jungler to force other fights. | ||
MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On October 17 2013 03:52 Vegetarian Wolf wrote: what about things that arent blatantly stupid but no less incorrect, posted with "proof" and "analysis" that are lengthy but flawed? those pop up waaaaay too often here ~_~ Post what's wrong with it but be polite. If it's really really stupid I will consider mod-actioning it. I hope we won't need a purge like Starcraft needed one. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23442 Posts
On October 17 2013 04:04 Alaric wrote: Isn't Rykitan a TLer? At least on EUW's Liquidparty. His stream isn't on the sidebar and I just found him live. its rikytan hes a czech guy, sometimes in lp sometimes not | ||
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kongoline
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On October 17 2013 04:11 kongoline wrote: i wonder how long till khazix becomes fotm again Around the same time as Jayce imo. Both of them fell out of favor around the same time via various nerfs but are both still viable in the right hands. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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jaymik
Korea (South)425 Posts
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