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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
October 16 2013 18:12 GMT
#4481
Or they could change the way vision works. They could limit wards like Dota or it could be on a per champion/team basis. If they did that supports could use gold for items, but the current cheap itemization for supports is bad so it would require better items.

I also think lane swaps don't happen that often in lower level soloq because the solo laner doesn't want to go 2v1 lol
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-16 18:16:04
October 16 2013 18:13 GMT
#4482
On October 17 2013 03:09 JimmiC wrote:
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On October 17 2013 02:23 Slayer91 wrote:
On October 17 2013 02:21 Ketara wrote:
Everybody is a bigger jerk on the internet than they are IRL. Some more than others, but it happens to the best of us.

That doesn't mean you should be, or that it's the correct way to behave. People should strive to be dicks to each other as little as possible. Kind of obvious.


i don't know. i strive to be as much of a dick as possible and rein it in when it could be hurtful.
its not obvious at all. Words can only be hurtful to someone who has self-esteem issues. If you don't know someone its a good idea to assume they have them, and thus be sensitive.

the result is im always a dick with friends and silent/friendly to making stupid jokes level in solo q

although that depends on your definition of a dick. someone expressing their opinions and emotions honestly will usually come across as a dick. Yet if that is how they truly think/feel its best if thats completely out in the open otherwise you're just hiding yourself and creating false image.



I think you are blatently wrong here. You make assumptions then treat them as facts. Being honest does not mean being a prick. I don't know how many more examples I can give. Throwing in insulting words, is unnessecary and since you don't actaully know if the person is stupid, retarded, whatever, it's not honest. Being wrong about LOL does not make any of that true. And even worse, what if you happen to be the one thats wrong? No ones right all the time, and people that think they are, are usually very unwise because they never learn.

Friends is different because you have a built up a relationship and they tend to let things slide and have a different social dynamic. That being said, a lot more people hide how hurt they are then how much they want to be assholes, and in fact it's a sign of low self esteem to enjoy being a asshole, bring others down to bring your self up is not a sign of a healthy well adjusted, high elf esteem person. However, being hurt by mean comments is normal. The key is to not get brought down to that persons level, or by that comment. Usually this is done by devaluing the person saying it. So keep in mind when you do this, people are either hurt, or they simply don't value your opinion. Either way not a positive outcome.

You say it's a good idea to assume this, so even by your own logic, which I would say is incredibly flawed, yousay it's good practice. And yet you are argueing that there is no problem with doing it. ??????????????

The saddest part about your post and posts in general is that you beleive that honesty and meaness are the same thing. And basically you think that human nature is to be dickish. I agree that it is common. But I think the reason for it is a lack of slef awareness from people, and being taught incorrectly. I tend to think think that people who come to forums like this are a little above the normal when it comes to intelect (however, this could be a faulty premise) so it is extra sad to see some one beleive this.

Go back to the first post I changed. And reread it vs the original post. How is my post less honest? It's not it's simply not dickish.

I would also like to point out incase he feels this way, I don't think the first poster is some evil bad guy, and I don't want to come down on him to hard. I just was using it as a example of not a good way to post, talk, or interact in RL with people.


being mean is often the most direct way to get your point across. If you've ever said "thats retarded" to something a friend said you can understand. Calling someone a retard rarely implies you actually think or want to imply that person is any way mentally disabled. But it might be a good way to express your anger while putting forward you point at the same time. You would have to be VERY verbose to do that otherwise and when you can't think very clearly its hard to do that.

The reason you have to be careful is because everyone is so suspicious of strangers. If some random guy calls you a retard you might get angry but if you knew him for even 2 hours you wouldn't think anything of it. I think that just sucks but I think people getting really offended by cheep using words like dumb when most people in this forum know him well is a bit over the top

If someone is "being a dick" specifically to make that person feel bad and not for the purposes of argument then i agree with you. However in arguments they tend to be flared and fast paced and people shouldn't take things too personally.

somewhat relevant funny vid
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AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
October 16 2013 18:17 GMT
#4483
I think this is an interesting discussion and everything and it should be continued in a proper place, but I want to let everyone know that if this continues for much longer banlings are going to start hammering people.

Just fyi.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
October 16 2013 18:19 GMT
#4484
Unless the reverse BT item is completely broken you'd still have supports dumping like all gold into vision. If someone does buy the reverse BT item, they then not only have less money for wards they're now even discouraged to farm, which is just an awful way to force a playstyle. Supports not getting any farm as an accepted play style is kind of atrocious as it is.
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
October 16 2013 18:20 GMT
#4485
On October 17 2013 03:17 AsmodeusXI wrote:
I think this is an interesting discussion and everything and it should be continued in a proper place, but I want to let everyone know that if this continues for much longer banlings are going to start hammering people.

Just fyi.


To be fair this is one of the games where people have the biggest problems with flamers etc
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
October 16 2013 18:22 GMT
#4486
On October 17 2013 03:20 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 03:17 AsmodeusXI wrote:
I think this is an interesting discussion and everything and it should be continued in a proper place, but I want to let everyone know that if this continues for much longer banlings are going to start hammering people.

Just fyi.


To be fair this is one of the games where people have the biggest problems with flamers etc


I totally agree. But if I know the banling staff at all this conversation going on for much longer is going to warrant some bans. Just hoping to save a few people's accounts.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
October 16 2013 18:22 GMT
#4487
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-16 18:32:40
October 16 2013 18:23 GMT
#4488
If being an asshole wasn't satisfying then there wouldn't be so many around. I know you're from Canada and all but try to relate to us!

You boxing comparision was good, but I think it sucks words should be treated like physical blows. You'll notice I said you should avoid insulting people you don't know well for this reason though. But in my ideal world being nobody would care if you insulted them.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
October 16 2013 18:24 GMT
#4489
On October 17 2013 02:56 xes wrote:
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On October 17 2013 02:50 UniversalSnip wrote:
EDIT: Although this really isn't the same problem as the reverse BT. THAC0 was more a problem of "The scale goes the wrong way!" but once you understand how it works it's easy to optimize. Reverse BT just has the problem of pulling the player in two different directions, forcing the player to make a choice where neither choice is "fun".

It's both. The optimization on reverse bt would probably be easy, but you need gold value of stats and a generally nerdish mindset to go in that direction.

I'm not sure an item that dissuades supports from future gold is really the correct way to incentivize farm distribution

They're already dissuaded. There are reasons not to like the idea but unless they add another lane or nerf every support to olaf tier we won't see more than occasional wave cleanup for farm.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 16 2013 18:26 GMT
#4490
On October 17 2013 03:19 Nos- wrote:
Unless the reverse BT item is completely broken you'd still have supports dumping like all gold into vision. If someone does buy the reverse BT item, they then not only have less money for wards they're now even discouraged to farm, which is just an awful way to force a playstyle. Supports not getting any farm as an accepted play style is kind of atrocious as it is.

This is the issue that really needs to be addressed. There's almost never going to be a time where you'd rather spend money on an item over wards/oracles outside of boots and maybe Reverie or Locket. The only way to combat it as it is now is to make a great item with great stats at a cheap baseline cost, which is nigh impossible to do while also dissuading laners to buy it.

As long as vision is in the spot it is, it's almost pointless to talk about support items imo.
It's your boy Guzma!
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
October 16 2013 18:27 GMT
#4491
There's no way you could justify a support receiving more gold than the jungler, or hell, even as much. It's not like supports don't get gold, it's just that consumables are a better investment. This doesn't just include wards but health pots as well - although tbh this is because when you go back it's difficult to afford wards and an item on top of it.
remedium
Profile Joined July 2011
United States939 Posts
October 16 2013 18:28 GMT
#4492
I buy triple gp10, sightstone if there's time, and maybe an oracles. Fuck vision, make money.
Stay positive!
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 16 2013 18:30 GMT
#4493
On October 17 2013 03:28 remedium wrote:
I buy triple gp10, sightstone if there's time, and maybe an oracles. Fuck vision, make money.

And are still generally poorer than the Jungler, while also investing into Philo (mostly useless if you don't build it into the next item), Kage (niche at best, waste at worst), and Avarice (lolwut).

...this was probably in jest, wasn't it? I suck at reading that sometimes.
It's your boy Guzma!
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
October 16 2013 18:31 GMT
#4494
On October 17 2013 03:28 remedium wrote:
I buy triple gp10, sightstone if there's time, and maybe an oracles. Fuck vision, make money.

Ah I see you're the manager of Orbit gaming
Bronze player stuck in platinum
remedium
Profile Joined July 2011
United States939 Posts
October 16 2013 18:32 GMT
#4495
On October 17 2013 03:30 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 03:28 remedium wrote:
I buy triple gp10, sightstone if there's time, and maybe an oracles. Fuck vision, make money.

And are still generally poorer than the Jungler, while also investing into Philo (mostly useless if you don't build it into the next item), Kage (niche at best, waste at worst), and Avarice (lolwut).

...this was probably in jest, wasn't it? I suck at reading that sometimes.



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Stay positive!
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 16 2013 18:34 GMT
#4496
On October 17 2013 03:32 remedium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 03:30 Requizen wrote:
On October 17 2013 03:28 remedium wrote:
I buy triple gp10, sightstone if there's time, and maybe an oracles. Fuck vision, make money.

And are still generally poorer than the Jungler, while also investing into Philo (mostly useless if you don't build it into the next item), Kage (niche at best, waste at worst), and Avarice (lolwut).

...this was probably in jest, wasn't it? I suck at reading that sometimes.



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BUT WHY IAM, BUT WHY?
It's your boy Guzma!
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
October 16 2013 18:34 GMT
#4497
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
October 16 2013 18:41 GMT
#4498
There's a difference from being insulting for the sake of it and being in an argument and making points while punctuating them a bit meanly. You said yourself cheep and ketera handled it pretty well. I think you're overreacting a little bit, when I say asshole I just mean the way cheep and roffles can get pretty rude in arguments but they arent banned yet because they dont just go around insulting people for no reason
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-16 18:44:04
October 16 2013 18:41 GMT
#4499
http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/node/7558

Harrowing Skins include Officer Vi (I highly doubt this remains limited) and a new Zyra skin, if you're into that sort of thing. "Haunted Zyra", maybe Pumpkin plants?

Also Mystery Gifting sounds cool. If only I had friends with money...


I would buy Underworld TF but I think Neo might stab me if I play TF ever again.
It's your boy Guzma!
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-16 18:46:39
October 16 2013 18:45 GMT
#4500
Alright finally slogged through that entire nonsense. Ok. So, I get that these issues can become fairly emotional for some people. However, what I want to encourage is for people to step back. I do not see how it's necessary for people to become very emotion over patch changes. (You're welcome to try and convince me.) I think we can hold ourselves to a higher standard.

Let's try a test for the rest of this week. When you state something, you have to offer at least a modicum of proof/analysis/explanation of your position. Questions are still fine. No name calling of any kind. And if I read something and I think it's just so incredibly stupid like running AP on Vayne or trashy one-liners I am going to mod action it instantly.

I think it's a reasonable thing to ask for.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
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