EPT[Patch 3.12] (j/k) Jinx General Discussion - Page 224
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Paljas
Germany6926 Posts
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UniversalSnip
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On October 17 2013 02:11 Paljas wrote: "no money in the world can replace the joy of being mean to people on the internet." its not about being mean, I think, its about expressing yourself honestly. since people are so easily offended people don't say things like that IRL because they dont want some nut to stab them. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
That doesn't mean you should be, or that it's the correct way to behave. People should strive to be dicks to each other as little as possible. Kind of obvious. | ||
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
On October 17 2013 02:12 UniversalSnip wrote: I don't like how mathy it would be to decide to kill a creep or not with reverse bt. I also don't like that you have to sit there and jam S during a siege or wave at tower. You start getting into weird mental territory when you have basic units of a game running in opposite directions. If anyone remembers how infamously weird thac0 was, it didn't have a lot to do with the difficulty of its simple arithmetic - concepts just don't map as well when they aren't aligned. Just for those who don't know- In some old versions of D&D (AD&D2 I think? I only really know anything because I played baldur's gate 2) the way you figured out if a given attack hit an enemy was weird. You have a "THAC0" stat, which stood for "to hit armor class zero". You subtracted the enemy's armor class (AC) from this number, and that was what you needed to roll, on a 20-sided die, to hit the enemy. Example: Your THAC0 is 13, the enemy has AC 4. 13-4=9, so you needed to roll a 9 or higher to hit the enemy. This was really weird, because, as you've probably figured out, lower THAC0 is better. Indeed, your THAC0 would regularly go down as you leveled up. And on top of that, lower AC is better. A mage with AC 8 was really squishy, while your fighter with AC -4 was very hard to hit. Newer D&D replaced that system with a more intuitive system: You must roll at least as high as your enemy's armor class to hit it. You also get various bonuses to hit based on strength, class, etc. So now your mage has AC 10 and your fighter has AC 18 and it makes sense. Your mage gets +0 to hit and your fighter gets +6 to hit, more stuff that makes sense. EDIT: Although this really isn't the same problem as the reverse BT. THAC0 was more a problem of "The scale goes the wrong way!" but once you understand how it works it's easy to optimize. Reverse BT just has the problem of pulling the player in two different directions, forcing the player to make a choice where neither choice is "fun". | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On October 17 2013 02:21 Ketara wrote: Everybody is a bigger jerk on the internet than they are IRL. Some more than others, but it happens to the best of us. That doesn't mean you should be, or that it's the correct way to behave. People should strive to be dicks to each other as little as possible. Kind of obvious. i don't know. i strive to be as much of a dick as possible and rein it in when it could be hurtful. its not obvious at all. Words can only be hurtful to someone who has self-esteem issues. If you don't know someone its a good idea to assume they have them, and thus be sensitive. the result is im always a dick with friends and silent/friendly to making stupid jokes level in solo q although that depends on your definition of a dick. someone expressing their opinions and emotions honestly will usually come across as a dick. Yet if that is how they truly think/feel its best if thats completely out in the open otherwise you're just hiding yourself and creating false image. | ||
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NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Netherlands1242 Posts
On October 17 2013 02:21 Ketara wrote: Everybody is a bigger jerk on the internet than they are IRL. Some more than others, but it happens to the best of us. That doesn't mean you should be, or that it's the correct way to behave. People should strive to be dicks to each other as little as possible. Kind of obvious. I'm a lot nicer to people on the internet. People having issues calculating macros? No problem, Celltech to the rescue. In real life people who don't attentively read the stickies I hand them if they ask for it can go fuck themselves, I'm not their mom and I studied and researched too hard for my knowledge too piss it away on ungrateful people. | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
 My body is ready. Please continue. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On October 17 2013 02:21 Ketara wrote: Everybody is a bigger jerk on the internet than they are IRL. Some more than others, but it happens to the best of us. That doesn't mean you should be, or that it's the correct way to behave. People should strive to be dicks to each other as little as possible. Kind of obvious. So rather than argue why you think lvl2 fizz all in is going to change fizz's core problem/issue you going to play victim card? That's even worse then csheep being a dick. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On October 17 2013 02:12 Slayer91 wrote: its not about being mean, I think, its about expressing yourself honestly. since people are so easily offended people don't say things like that IRL because they dont want some nut to stab them. Taking a liking to impatient or touchy people sucks. :< | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
EDIT: Although this really isn't the same problem as the reverse BT. THAC0 was more a problem of "The scale goes the wrong way!" but once you understand how it works it's easy to optimize. Reverse BT just has the problem of pulling the player in two different directions, forcing the player to make a choice where neither choice is "fun". It's both. The optimization on reverse bt would probably be easy, but you need gold value of stats and a generally nerdish mindset to go in that direction. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
On October 17 2013 02:50 UniversalSnip wrote: It's both. The optimization on reverse bt would probably be easy, but you need gold value of stats and a generally nerdish mindset to go in that direction. I'm not sure an item that dissuades supports from future gold is really the correct way to incentivize farm distribution | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On October 17 2013 02:48 JimmiC wrote: I highlighted the first part and further dove into the second part because I wanted to expain that the frist can't be true because of the second example " The car is blue, however, its actually green." You can't say doesn't diminish the arguement the move on to how it diminishes the arguement. Is satisfying to you. Not to everyone, and I hope not even to most people. Even if it is, it is a opinion not a fact which is what I was pointing out. And then I was pointing out that if you find it satisfying that there are some personal issues that need to be dealt with because it's no heathly. For you secondary effect arguement, I turn to the NFL talking heads and say C'mon man. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhCks3bvTdA) If you are asshole to someone in particular if you are specific to then, you're goal is to make them feel bad, if its not then youare either in denial about your intentions or delusional about the out come. Because, them being insulted, hurt, mad, whatever you want to say is inevitable. You saying it's secondary is like me saying "I like to shoot my gun into crowds because it statisfies me, people getting hurt and killed is just a secondary effect." I know, exaggeration, meant to show that when the out come is inevitable, the intent is clear, or should be for most functioning members or society. Your last point, you are the not the one who he is being a dick to. If you were, you may feel different, if you don't you are in the 1%. The vast majority would feel bad, whether it's anger hurt whatever. On another note, if you read a post and you understand that it made someone hurt, without purpose, and that don't have any negative effects to you, that is your isssue. Personally I don't like thinking that some one is coming here and leaving feeling worse then they got here. And that is my stance in RL as well. Honestly it's not hard, stop being assholes, your life will be better as well everyone around you. I said being an asshole is satisfying. You take that to assume that being an asshole is satisfying for the people who read said persons posts. That is a contradiction of my choice of word "asshole" also i challenge anyone to be an asshole to me on teamliquid to make me feel bad. lol I AM THE 1% my argument is that being an asshole isnt being a bad person, its just honestly expressing yourself. honestly expressing yourself is generally a bad thing today, everyone wants to be politically correct, incase they might offend some one. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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Sermokala
United States14128 Posts
It doesn't (or shouldn't) really matter what level of assholery that you are online all that matters is the actual content in what you say. thats what makes Yango different from the rest of us. Everyone knows Yango is a bit of an asshole closet dotalover but what he says isn't shit so people don't mind hearing it from asshole. I love panth btw. Such a simple graceful strightforward hero that dunks looks cool and spears. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On October 17 2013 01:08 onlywonderboy wrote: Is the problem lack of gold then? I'd prefer them to create new items to accommodate for the Support's lack of gold rather than giving them more gold to buy "real" items. supports as a predefined class of heroes is the problem. giving them OP utility then wank scaling means they will never value gold and be forced in to the ward-bitch role, its inevitable. if they reworked all the support champs then you would see more fluidity in comps and play styles, more freedom to play how you want and in the end i think it would make a better game. why does lane swapping or annie support (thats effective) have to be something you only see at the highest level? playing janna and derping about for 30 mins shielding your adc and warding stuff isnt a rewarding experience, no matter how powerful they make her or how strong items she can get. i will play support for my team if/when i feel it will help us win, because i want to win, but that doesnt change the fact that i think the game would be a lot more healthy and dynamic if we stopped having dedicated support champs. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On October 17 2013 02:49 wei2coolman wrote: So rather than argue why you think lvl2 fizz all in is going to change fizz's core problem/issue you going to play victim card? That's even worse then csheep being a dick. What are you talking about? How am I playing a victim card? If you want to have a Fizz discussion, actually post with content like I did instead of making accusatory no content posts. It's pretty tiring. I'm waiting to hear why either you or csheep thinks this Fizz nerf is insignificant in a post that isn't just "you're wrong". | ||
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