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kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
October 16 2013 14:10 GMT
#4401
imo rune pages, u cant go wrong with it
Haiq343
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2548 Posts
October 16 2013 14:13 GMT
#4402
Fizz
Seastone Trident ( W ) active AP ratio reduced to ( .15 AP ) from ( .35 AP )

Thoughts?
I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination encircles the world. -Einstein
schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
October 16 2013 14:25 GMT
#4403
On October 16 2013 21:17 MattBarry wrote:
After watching Xpecial's grilled interview, I have to wonder why they keep Oddone on the team. His mechanics aren't very good, and apparently his game sense and decision making are absolutely terrible according Xpecial. What redeeming factor does he have


Xspecial really likes to put the blame on others. Along with dyrus he was their worst player at worlds.

Hoping CLG make no roster changes, but something tells me they will .
schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
October 16 2013 14:26 GMT
#4404
On October 16 2013 23:13 Haiq343 wrote:
Show nested quote +
Fizz
Seastone Trident ( W ) active AP ratio reduced to ( .15 AP ) from ( .35 AP )

Thoughts?


Surprised they didn't go harder on Fizz (Unless there are more nerfs). I honestly think his Q shouldn't be on hit, he can literally miss his ult and still nearly 1 shot a squishy late game.
Vegetarian Wolf
Profile Joined May 2010
China434 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-16 14:42:59
October 16 2013 14:42 GMT
#4405
On October 16 2013 23:13 Haiq343 wrote:
Show nested quote +
Fizz
Seastone Trident ( W ) active AP ratio reduced to ( .15 AP ) from ( .35 AP )

Thoughts?

a good first step towards deleting the hero

pls remove fizz from the game
Awooo...
BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
October 16 2013 14:45 GMT
#4406
On October 16 2013 23:13 Haiq343 wrote:
Show nested quote +
Fizz
Seastone Trident ( W ) active AP ratio reduced to ( .15 AP ) from ( .35 AP )

Thoughts?


Takes out some of the pain from running into him in the brush, but doesn't really affect his ability to burst down carries whenever he damn well feels like it.

He needs some counterplay to Q in/hit once with W/E out, and this isn't providing that.
SUNSFANNED
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
October 16 2013 14:48 GMT
#4407
Yeah, it fixes nothing that was wrong with him. Hitting his late game scaling? Oh no, what shall I do on Fizz at 50 minutes? Oh wait that's 20 minutes longer than it took them to surrender.
Hey! How you doin'?
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
October 16 2013 14:58 GMT
#4408
On October 16 2013 23:48 Zdrastochye wrote:
Yeah, it fixes nothing that was wrong with him. Hitting his late game scaling? Oh no, what shall I do on Fizz at 50 minutes? Oh wait that's 20 minutes longer than it took them to surrender.


Wait what?

If you're Fizz with a scary early game Fizz build and starting with 50ish AP, this is 10 less damage per auto on your level 2 all in, which means it's more than 10 less damage because you'll have less missing health and take less missing health damage. Also 10 less damage on the initial Urchin Strike.

That's kind of a big deal, even early game.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Vegetarian Wolf
Profile Joined May 2010
China434 Posts
October 16 2013 15:14 GMT
#4409
On October 16 2013 23:58 Ketara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2013 23:48 Zdrastochye wrote:
Yeah, it fixes nothing that was wrong with him. Hitting his late game scaling? Oh no, what shall I do on Fizz at 50 minutes? Oh wait that's 20 minutes longer than it took them to surrender.


Wait what?

If you're Fizz with a scary early game Fizz build and starting with 50ish AP, this is 10 less damage per auto on your level 2 all in, which means it's more than 10 less damage because you'll have less missing health and take less missing health damage. Also 10 less damage on the initial Urchin Strike.

That's kind of a big deal, even early game.


ketara once again showering us with his insight into heroes he doesn't play

you're like one of those idiots who look at a hero and think it's completely focused on a single aspect (in this case a level 2 all in) when theres so much more to it

this change changes absolutely nothing in how batshit op fizz is
Awooo...
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
October 16 2013 15:17 GMT
#4410
It's also per tick isn't it? I thought that ratio was .35 per tick of the passive.
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-16 15:24:24
October 16 2013 15:23 GMT
#4411
Looks like a nerf to just the active on-hit damage, not the passive dot.

The AP ratio on the passive isn't what's scary though, it's the missing health damage coupled with all the burst.

And cheep, I really don't appreciate being insulted for no reason. Don't be a dick.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
October 16 2013 15:29 GMT
#4412
"super team" doesn't even bother to hide it anymore :D Shook & TCM jwawow moved to main accounts.
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
October 16 2013 15:37 GMT
#4413
On October 17 2013 00:29 AsnSensation wrote:
"super team" doesn't even bother to hide it anymore :D Shook & TCM jwawow moved to main accounts.

Just like how in sc2 your "hotkey signature" can give away who you really are, there's more than enough information for people to link pro smurfs in lol to their main accounts.

Also "super team mid must be froggen because no one else builds guise+hextech on anivia"
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
October 16 2013 15:39 GMT
#4414
On October 17 2013 00:37 thenexusp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 00:29 AsnSensation wrote:
"super team" doesn't even bother to hide it anymore :D Shook & TCM jwawow moved to main accounts.

Just like how in sc2 your "hotkey signature" can give away who you really are, there's more than enough information for people to link pro smurfs in lol to their main accounts.

Also "super team mid must be froggen because no one else builds guise+hextech on anivia"


yeah, actually I expected Freeze, Edward, Froggen and Shook to be found pretty quickly but what was most impressive to me personally is that reddit identified the TCM guy within the first hour lol.

also
Evil Geniuses ‏@EvilGeniuses 25m
In twenty minutes, we will announce something for our @LeagueOfLegends fans. Something you've all been waiting for.
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-16 15:44:13
October 16 2013 15:40 GMT
#4415
On October 16 2013 22:22 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2013 08:18 TheRabidDeer wrote:
So, I did the unthinkable (for me) and spent money on LoL. What is the best investment? Boosts or just straight up buying champions on sale? Was thinking of picking up Vayne...


Spending money on something you enjoy you are crazy!

I think my best purchase was extra rune pages. It kinda of is counter productive in the sense that now you need more ip for more runes. But if you have the runes it sure give you increased flexibility


The way to calculate these things is basically the ratio of the IP it costs (that is, your time) vs the RP it costs. You want to get a ton of IP for your RP so that you can use your earned IP for everything else. Keep in mind that IP is liquid so if you spend RP for a rune page or champ it means you have more IP for runes and everything else you want (provided that buying stuff doesn't make you want more stuff, huehue). In effect this means:
  • The best bundle is the rune page bundle hands down, so long as you actually want all those pages. Champ bundles are good too, generally.
  • The best non-bundle bang for your buck is a 6300 champ on sale though single rune pages are really good too
  • 6300 champs not on sale are still good. Champs that cost 4800 or less you should buy with IP, though I might consider a 4800 if it's on sale.
  • Time IP boosts are alright *IF* you binge on LoL during their duration. By comparison, buying a 6300 champ not on sale is easier and similarly efficient.
  • Per win IP boosts are awful.
  • Skins and XP boosts are the worst by this measure because you don't save IP when you buy them.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
October 16 2013 15:42 GMT
#4416
On October 17 2013 00:39 AsnSensation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2013 00:37 thenexusp wrote:
On October 17 2013 00:29 AsnSensation wrote:
"super team" doesn't even bother to hide it anymore :D Shook & TCM jwawow moved to main accounts.

Just like how in sc2 your "hotkey signature" can give away who you really are, there's more than enough information for people to link pro smurfs in lol to their main accounts.

Also "super team mid must be froggen because no one else builds guise+hextech on anivia"


yeah, actually I expected Freeze, Edward, Froggen and Shook to be found pretty quickly but what was most impressive to me personally is that reddit identified the TCM guy within the first hour lol.

also
Evil Geniuses ‏@EvilGeniuses 25m
In twenty minutes, we will announce something for our @LeagueOfLegends fans. Something you've all been waiting for.


Did you see what it was?

Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
October 16 2013 15:46 GMT
#4417
On October 17 2013 00:40 phyvo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2013 22:22 JimmiC wrote:
On October 16 2013 08:18 TheRabidDeer wrote:
So, I did the unthinkable (for me) and spent money on LoL. What is the best investment? Boosts or just straight up buying champions on sale? Was thinking of picking up Vayne...


Spending money on something you enjoy you are crazy!

I think my best purchase was extra rune pages. It kinda of is counter productive in the sense that now you need more ip for more runes. But if you have the runes it sure give you increased flexibility


The way to calculate these things is basically the ratio of the IP it costs (that is, your time) vs the RP it costs. You want to get a ton of IP for your RP so that you can use your earned IP for everything else. Keep in mind that IP is liquid so if you spend RP for a rune page or champ it means you have more IP for runes and everything else you want (provided that buying stuff doesn't make you want more stuff, huehue). In effect this means:
  • The best bundle is the rune page bundle hands down, so long as you actually want all those pages. Champ bundles are good too, generally.
  • The best non-bundle bang for your buck is a 6300 champ on sale though single rune pages are really good too
  • 6300 champs not on sale are still good. Champs that cost 4800 or less you should buy with IP, though I might consider a 4800 if it's on sale.
  • Time IP boosts are alright *IF* you binge on LoL during their duration. By comparison, buying a 6300 champ not on sale is easier and similarly efficient.
  • Per win IP boosts are awful.
  • Skins and XP boosts are the worst by this measure because you don't save IP when you buy them.

Aren't skins the best RP purchases? Since being unbuyable with IP == having an infinite IP cost, it has the absolute best IP/RP ratio possible.

And even if you only ever want to buy things that could give you some kind of in-game advantage, some skins do do that ... :D
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
October 16 2013 15:53 GMT
#4418
--- Nuked ---
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 16 2013 15:53 GMT
#4419
On October 17 2013 00:14 Vegetarian Wolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2013 23:58 Ketara wrote:
On October 16 2013 23:48 Zdrastochye wrote:
Yeah, it fixes nothing that was wrong with him. Hitting his late game scaling? Oh no, what shall I do on Fizz at 50 minutes? Oh wait that's 20 minutes longer than it took them to surrender.


Wait what?

If you're Fizz with a scary early game Fizz build and starting with 50ish AP, this is 10 less damage per auto on your level 2 all in, which means it's more than 10 less damage because you'll have less missing health and take less missing health damage. Also 10 less damage on the initial Urchin Strike.

That's kind of a big deal, even early game.


ketara once again showering us with his insight into heroes he doesn't play

you're like one of those idiots who look at a hero and think it's completely focused on a single aspect (in this case a level 2 all in) when theres so much more to it

this change changes absolutely nothing in how batshit op fizz is

It nerfs toplane ap fizz quite a bit, since in top lane you can get away with w maxing early. But it doesn't address the fact you only need 2 items on fizz to be relevant all the way to the 50 minute mark.
liftlift > tsm
Kyrie
Profile Joined June 2013
1594 Posts
October 16 2013 15:53 GMT
#4420
fizz has so many sources of ap damage (and so much overkill damage in many situations) post lich bane that a .2 nerf to a single skill shouldn't be significant in the way similar ratio nerfs to sion and cass were.

the level 2 allin also isn't a particularly successful timing against opponents that are 1) not kassadin and 2) familiar with the matchup

the net decrease in damage will be, at most, in the neighborhood of 100 damage per activation before lich, after which it becomes largely irrelevant. this could impact fizz appreciably in repeated exchanges, but that clearly isn't why he is picked
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