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Profile Joined October 2009
United States1864 Posts
October 14 2013 16:56 GMT
#4041
On October 15 2013 01:34 Requizen wrote:
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On October 15 2013 01:33 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
On October 15 2013 01:32 Requizen wrote:
ih8u2

ih8u4

ih8u4rel

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On October 15 2013 01:33 Complete wrote:
what about me

YOU DON'T EVEN GO HERE


I spent my thousandth post on you, do you feel honored?
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 14 2013 16:57 GMT
#4042
On October 15 2013 01:56 Complete wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2013 01:34 Requizen wrote:
On October 15 2013 01:33 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
On October 15 2013 01:32 Requizen wrote:
ih8u2

ih8u4

ih8u4rel

On October 15 2013 01:33 Complete wrote:
what about me

YOU DON'T EVEN GO HERE


I spent my thousandth post on you, do you feel honored?

I do sorta. Welcome to the "I can't believe I spent my X post on this bullshit" club
It's your boy Guzma!
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
October 14 2013 17:01 GMT
#4043
i do hope pobelter and aphroo find new teams. last year of high school is not that srs, shouldn't interfere with his practice time.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-14 17:21:25
October 14 2013 17:21 GMT
#4044
On October 14 2013 05:40 nojitosunrise wrote:
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[deleted links]
seems like his twitter got hacked

for directly linking to viruses? Seriously...

Now I have FLV player on my computer and it asked to install before my computer had even booted up
I clicked on the links above I think.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
October 14 2013 17:25 GMT
#4045
Damn, ggLA PR handled the situation like a boss.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
October 14 2013 17:34 GMT
#4046
On October 15 2013 02:25 onlywonderboy wrote:
Damn, ggLA PR handled the situation like a boss.

Link to ggla's PR response?
Glorious SEA doto
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
October 14 2013 17:36 GMT
#4047
On October 15 2013 01:52 Fusilero wrote:
What kind of madman would give a jungler of shook's calibre an offer he can't refuse, why you'd have to be some kind of genius. Perhaps an evil one.
Also about damn time amazing got a good team he's spent too long doing nothing in S3


Isn't the reason he did nothing in Season 3 because he got permabanned for the year because he's completely toxic?

http://forums.euw.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=10143140

If he keeps his behavior in line he'll be a force though.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 14 2013 17:38 GMT
#4048
He's talking about amazing.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
October 14 2013 17:42 GMT
#4049
On October 15 2013 02:36 Swords wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2013 01:52 Fusilero wrote:
What kind of madman would give a jungler of shook's calibre an offer he can't refuse, why you'd have to be some kind of genius. Perhaps an evil one.
Also about damn time amazing got a good team he's spent too long doing nothing in S3


Isn't the reason he did nothing in Season 3 because he got permabanned for the year because he's completely toxic?

http://forums.euw.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=10143140

If he keeps his behavior in line he'll be a force though.

I mean amazing, he's a great jungler but after acer failed to get into LCS he just kinda disappeared. At least .he hasn't joined citizenwayne in retirement.
Glorious SEA doto
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
October 14 2013 17:50 GMT
#4050
On October 15 2013 02:42 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2013 02:36 Swords wrote:
On October 15 2013 01:52 Fusilero wrote:
What kind of madman would give a jungler of shook's calibre an offer he can't refuse, why you'd have to be some kind of genius. Perhaps an evil one.
Also about damn time amazing got a good team he's spent too long doing nothing in S3


Isn't the reason he did nothing in Season 3 because he got permabanned for the year because he's completely toxic?

http://forums.euw.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=10143140

If he keeps his behavior in line he'll be a force though.

I mean amazing, he's a great jungler but after acer failed to get into LCS he just kinda disappeared. At least .he hasn't joined citizenwayne in retirement.


Oh, I blew it, I thought it was a typo. I didn't really get into following the lcs until the S3 spring split was underway so I didn't know amazing was a person.
UmberBane
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany5450 Posts
October 14 2013 18:19 GMT
#4051
Lol, I just saw that Xenics Storm is actually sponsored by The Handsome Nerd (Tastosis' brand) since forever. Kind of a funny thing somehow.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 14 2013 18:58 GMT
#4052
On October 15 2013 02:34 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2013 02:25 onlywonderboy wrote:
Damn, ggLA PR handled the situation like a boss.

Link to ggla's PR response?

From earlier, catching up OP.

On October 15 2013 01:18 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2013 00:09 Lylat wrote:
On October 14 2013 23:55 Sufficiency wrote:
Well Jinx is currently 52% winrate on lolking. That's the same winrate as release Diana.

Hmm Sona and Jarvan have better winrate despite being played more, I don't think we can say that Jinx is op from those stats :p

J4 is probably one of the best solo queue junglers, up there with rammus and eve because early game presence in conjunction with ease to play (Unlike a certain monk) grants him such a good winrate.

Rammus early game presence? Can't gank before 3, and even then he's super weak with only powerball -> 1s taunt (red buff > taunt for the purpose of a level 3 gank unless you somehow make a cast go through flash or interrupt a dash with it), he'd lose any 2v2.
I mean, Rammus clearly doesn't need 6 and his non-reliance on Tremors (which has a super low cd anyway, shit's cray for taking towers after a successful gank, dragon, or just help steal a buff or tax a wave) makes him more dangerous than Fiddle or Vi with their ults down, but he still needs more levels than a bunch of champions before his presence really makes itself felt.

On October 15 2013 00:27 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2013 00:20 Requizen wrote:
On October 15 2013 00:19 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On October 15 2013 00:16 Requizen wrote:
On October 15 2013 00:09 Osmoses wrote:
What is a Rammus main anyway? Is there more to this jungler than rollin rollin rollin and then taunt for freekill?

Rammus mains know exactly how far back to hit powerball to make it last the optimal amount of time.

So in essence no. Rammus ganks in solo queue are pretty much free kills.


They can escape in early levels though... taunt isn't ABSOLUTELY amazing until you get all 3 seconds. There's also the solo queue problem of you being so much faster than everyone and the lane you're ganking doesn't catch up until after the taunt has ended.

1) Roam
2) See lane that's already fighting each other
3) Get there in .0023 seconds before they can react
4) Taunt
5) Kill


Okay, fair. I just don't have that Gold level map awareness for that kind of play.

Dunno as a Vi main it's pretty standard for me to just tell my laner to bait a fight, especially when I gank mid or a laner with an escape/gapcloser, to change a likely kill into a free kill.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 14 2013 19:04 GMT
#4053
On October 15 2013 03:58 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2013 02:34 Fusilero wrote:
On October 15 2013 02:25 onlywonderboy wrote:
Damn, ggLA PR handled the situation like a boss.

Link to ggla's PR response?

From earlier, catching up OP.

Show nested quote +
On October 15 2013 01:18 Fusilero wrote:
On October 15 2013 00:09 Lylat wrote:
On October 14 2013 23:55 Sufficiency wrote:
Well Jinx is currently 52% winrate on lolking. That's the same winrate as release Diana.

Hmm Sona and Jarvan have better winrate despite being played more, I don't think we can say that Jinx is op from those stats :p

J4 is probably one of the best solo queue junglers, up there with rammus and eve because early game presence in conjunction with ease to play (Unlike a certain monk) grants him such a good winrate.

Rammus early game presence? Can't gank before 3, and even then he's super weak with only powerball -> 1s taunt (red buff > taunt for the purpose of a level 3 gank unless you somehow make a cast go through flash or interrupt a dash with it), he'd lose any 2v2.
I mean, Rammus clearly doesn't need 6 and his non-reliance on Tremors (which has a super low cd anyway, shit's cray for taking towers after a successful gank, dragon, or just help steal a buff or tax a wave) makes him more dangerous than Fiddle or Vi with their ults down, but he still needs more levels than a bunch of champions before his presence really makes itself felt.

Show nested quote +
On October 15 2013 00:27 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On October 15 2013 00:20 Requizen wrote:
On October 15 2013 00:19 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On October 15 2013 00:16 Requizen wrote:
On October 15 2013 00:09 Osmoses wrote:
What is a Rammus main anyway? Is there more to this jungler than rollin rollin rollin and then taunt for freekill?

Rammus mains know exactly how far back to hit powerball to make it last the optimal amount of time.

So in essence no. Rammus ganks in solo queue are pretty much free kills.


They can escape in early levels though... taunt isn't ABSOLUTELY amazing until you get all 3 seconds. There's also the solo queue problem of you being so much faster than everyone and the lane you're ganking doesn't catch up until after the taunt has ended.

1) Roam
2) See lane that's already fighting each other
3) Get there in .0023 seconds before they can react
4) Taunt
5) Kill


Okay, fair. I just don't have that Gold level map awareness for that kind of play.

Dunno as a Vi main it's pretty standard for me to just tell my laner to bait a fight, especially when I gank mid or a laner with an escape/gapcloser, to change a likely kill into a free kill.


But once Rammus hits 3, laning can be terrifying (almost as bad as laning when the enemy has an Eve). He just comes flying out of nowhere and it's essentially a guaranteed flash. Almost 100% kill if flash is down.

Telling your laner to bait a fight can be risky for 2 reason. You have to be careful of the enemy's burst or fight style. If I'm laning as Annie, I can poke and do tons of damage without fully committing. This can make a gank very dangerous for you, especially without targettable hard CC. Also, there's potential for your laner to get completely bursted down immediately (this would be more obvious). Additionally, a countergank could come in before you get in for the gank because of the "bait". This often can put you at a disadvantage depending on the mid laners' CD rotations/damage/CC.

I generally hate when my jungler relies on me to engage. If we coordinate the gank to go at the same time, it can work out beautifully. However, if he waits 1 or 2 seconds too long, it often spells my death and/or severe disadvantage in lane.
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Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
October 14 2013 19:06 GMT
#4054
On October 15 2013 03:58 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2013 02:34 Fusilero wrote:
On October 15 2013 02:25 onlywonderboy wrote:
Damn, ggLA PR handled the situation like a boss.

Link to ggla's PR response?

From earlier, catching up OP.

Show nested quote +
On October 15 2013 01:18 Fusilero wrote:
On October 15 2013 00:09 Lylat wrote:
On October 14 2013 23:55 Sufficiency wrote:
Well Jinx is currently 52% winrate on lolking. That's the same winrate as release Diana.

Hmm Sona and Jarvan have better winrate despite being played more, I don't think we can say that Jinx is op from those stats :p

J4 is probably one of the best solo queue junglers, up there with rammus and eve because early game presence in conjunction with ease to play (Unlike a certain monk) grants him such a good winrate.

Rammus early game presence? Can't gank before 3, and even then he's super weak with only powerball -> 1s taunt (red buff > taunt for the purpose of a level 3 gank unless you somehow make a cast go through flash or interrupt a dash with it), he'd lose any 2v2.
I mean, Rammus clearly doesn't need 6 and his non-reliance on Tremors (which has a super low cd anyway, shit's cray for taking towers after a successful gank, dragon, or just help steal a buff or tax a wave) makes him more dangerous than Fiddle or Vi with their ults down, but he still needs more levels than a bunch of champions before his presence really makes itself felt.

Show nested quote +
On October 15 2013 00:27 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On October 15 2013 00:20 Requizen wrote:
On October 15 2013 00:19 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On October 15 2013 00:16 Requizen wrote:
On October 15 2013 00:09 Osmoses wrote:
What is a Rammus main anyway? Is there more to this jungler than rollin rollin rollin and then taunt for freekill?

Rammus mains know exactly how far back to hit powerball to make it last the optimal amount of time.

So in essence no. Rammus ganks in solo queue are pretty much free kills.


They can escape in early levels though... taunt isn't ABSOLUTELY amazing until you get all 3 seconds. There's also the solo queue problem of you being so much faster than everyone and the lane you're ganking doesn't catch up until after the taunt has ended.

1) Roam
2) See lane that's already fighting each other
3) Get there in .0023 seconds before they can react
4) Taunt
5) Kill


Okay, fair. I just don't have that Gold level map awareness for that kind of play.

Dunno as a Vi main it's pretty standard for me to just tell my laner to bait a fight, especially when I gank mid or a laner with an escape/gapcloser, to change a likely kill into a free kill.

The early game comment was for J4, rammus is great in yolo queue because it's so easy to catch people with 500 mph powerball into a 3 second taunt.
Glorious SEA doto
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 14 2013 19:07 GMT
#4055
'tis 'k, my Elo is Plat but people are still as bad as in high Gold there so we let Fizz/Ahri/Zed/Kass slip through half the time, they kill stuff "slow" enough that as Vi your cc interrupts the kill combo and your laner (who's also one of the 4) can unleash his own in the meantime.

I'd be warier if I was playing something like Mundo or Nautilus, yeah (Naut's too slow and clunky to make it work as reliably despite all the hard cc). I should train Mundo. I used to do well with him. Now I just kill myself by missing a billion cleavers. T_T
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
October 14 2013 19:56 GMT
#4056
On October 15 2013 03:58 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2013 02:34 Fusilero wrote:
On October 15 2013 02:25 onlywonderboy wrote:
Damn, ggLA PR handled the situation like a boss.

Link to ggla's PR response?

From earlier, catching up OP.

Show nested quote +
On October 15 2013 01:18 Fusilero wrote:
On October 15 2013 00:09 Lylat wrote:
On October 14 2013 23:55 Sufficiency wrote:
Well Jinx is currently 52% winrate on lolking. That's the same winrate as release Diana.

Hmm Sona and Jarvan have better winrate despite being played more, I don't think we can say that Jinx is op from those stats :p

J4 is probably one of the best solo queue junglers, up there with rammus and eve because early game presence in conjunction with ease to play (Unlike a certain monk) grants him such a good winrate.

Rammus early game presence? Can't gank before 3, and even then he's super weak with only powerball -> 1s taunt (red buff > taunt for the purpose of a level 3 gank unless you somehow make a cast go through flash or interrupt a dash with it), he'd lose any 2v2.
I mean, Rammus clearly doesn't need 6 and his non-reliance on Tremors (which has a super low cd anyway, shit's cray for taking towers after a successful gank, dragon, or just help steal a buff or tax a wave) makes him more dangerous than Fiddle or Vi with their ults down, but he still needs more levels than a bunch of champions before his presence really makes itself felt.

Show nested quote +
On October 15 2013 00:27 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On October 15 2013 00:20 Requizen wrote:
On October 15 2013 00:19 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On October 15 2013 00:16 Requizen wrote:
On October 15 2013 00:09 Osmoses wrote:
What is a Rammus main anyway? Is there more to this jungler than rollin rollin rollin and then taunt for freekill?

Rammus mains know exactly how far back to hit powerball to make it last the optimal amount of time.

So in essence no. Rammus ganks in solo queue are pretty much free kills.


They can escape in early levels though... taunt isn't ABSOLUTELY amazing until you get all 3 seconds. There's also the solo queue problem of you being so much faster than everyone and the lane you're ganking doesn't catch up until after the taunt has ended.

1) Roam
2) See lane that's already fighting each other
3) Get there in .0023 seconds before they can react
4) Taunt
5) Kill


Okay, fair. I just don't have that Gold level map awareness for that kind of play.

Dunno as a Vi main it's pretty standard for me to just tell my laner to bait a fight, especially when I gank mid or a laner with an escape/gapcloser, to change a likely kill into a free kill.


Ganking before 3 hasn't been a thing for most of season 3. A level 2 gank basically invites the enemy jungler to steal your other buff, which then makes it immediately impossible for you to contest his other buff because a double buff jungler with a level advantage will almost always win (especially in their own jungle).
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 14 2013 19:58 GMT
#4057
Yeah but it also means he can't effectively fight people invading him, nor invade.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Rainbow Cuddles
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States486 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-14 21:16:42
October 14 2013 21:14 GMT
#4058
Most of the time I feel like I'm the only person who plays this game who doesn't blame others for losing.

I'm curious when the next patch will hit. In other news, I've been told that Poppy & Trundle will be balanced soon, so we can look forward to that.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
October 14 2013 21:18 GMT
#4059
On October 15 2013 06:14 Rainbow Cuddles wrote:
Most of the time I feel like I'm the only person who plays this game who doesn't blame others for losing.

I'm curious when the next patch will hit. In other news, I've been told that Poppy & Trundle will be balanced soon, so we can look forward to that.


effect of someone who blames other for losing
blames other in team chat
effect of someone who doesnt blame others for losing
nothing
you can see where the cognitive bias might come from i expect
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-14 21:25:00
October 14 2013 21:23 GMT
#4060
Ugh, i hate it when I start playing a champion a lot and I don't like any of their skins so I have to use the meh default skins (looking at you Thresh and Nami)

Then shit like this happens..

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