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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
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MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On October 14 2013 09:03 Pantagruel wrote: So I've been playing Shyvana top lane for a few months now with a fair amount of success. I've gotten from silver 4 to silver 1 around 85 points in. Lately though, I've been having a few more issues in lane. I usually stomp any and all melee opponents in lane with shyvana but more often I find myself going even which is not desirable as I don't bring too much to teamfights except for a nice hard initiate. I'm looking to master a new champ in top lane. I've tried Vladimir for about a dozen games in normals to mediocre success. I don't hate him but I feel too squishy in teamfights specifically and I'm not that great at using the pool at the optimal time I feel like. I've also tried Irelia for about 4-5 games without too much success. I do very poorly early game because I frequently get harassed to death or if not, I get ganked with no escapes. I like her if the game goes on however. I'm thinking I prefer a very tanky champ that does solid in lane, but can still be a threat in teamfights. I like Shyvana so much because she is a lane bully and is ungankable. There is no frills about her, she just dives in and kills people and is difficult to take down. I bought Renekton recently and think he might be a champ that fits my playstyle but I was wondering if anyone can recommend another champ for me to try out who is not hugely vulnerable in lane and plays like a tank. Other than Renekton (which sounds perfect for you, being like Shyvana but a much bigger bully in lane) I recommend Zac, Jax and Shen. All of them can provide a strong damage threat (Jax being the scariest of them all) while they all also build defensively. They do however have some bad matchups but all of them also have jump/dash moves you can abuse. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On October 14 2013 09:03 Pantagruel wrote: So I've been playing Shyvana top lane for a few months now with a fair amount of success. I've gotten from silver 4 to silver 1 around 85 points in. Lately though, I've been having a few more issues in lane. I usually stomp any and all melee opponents in lane with shyvana but more often I find myself going even which is not desirable as I don't bring too much to teamfights except for a nice hard initiate. I'm looking to master a new champ in top lane. I've tried Vladimir for about a dozen games in normals to mediocre success. I don't hate him but I feel too squishy in teamfights specifically and I'm not that great at using the pool at the optimal time I feel like. I've also tried Irelia for about 4-5 games without too much success. I do very poorly early game because I frequently get harassed to death or if not, I get ganked with no escapes. I like her if the game goes on however. I'm thinking I prefer a very tanky champ that does solid in lane, but can still be a threat in teamfights. I like Shyvana so much because she is a lane bully and is ungankable. There is no frills about her, she just dives in and kills people and is difficult to take down. I bought Renekton recently and think he might be a champ that fits my playstyle but I was wondering if anyone can recommend another champ for me to try out who is not hugely vulnerable in lane and plays like a tank. Durius | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On October 14 2013 07:02 Kinie wrote: Speaking of ADCs, is an energy-based ADC viable or no? Kennen as ADC was semi popular for a while. On October 14 2013 07:10 zulu_nation8 wrote: i am fairly certain vayne with botrk can 1v1 any ADC in the game with the same amount of gold and exp unless you literally stand still and take every skillshot to the face. Yes, but before BotRK timing, or even before level 6, she's very hard to get to that level, that's why her 2v1 is so good. get sent in 2v1 lane, farm/push tower until you get enough levels to hold your own. Go back to 2v2 lane, then school everyone with your newly bought BotRK. On October 14 2013 07:26 nafta wrote: The real question is have you?Because ez is the easiest matchup in the game for vayne and corki is definitely manageable. Vayne can dodge skinny skill shots, Corki's Q, and E, impossible to miss, unless you're Lee Sin. On October 14 2013 07:33 zulu_nation8 wrote: in a 1v1 vs TF corki, a vayne should win if corki gets condemned or outplays by dodging most skillshots, but will lose otherwise, but TF is more expensive than botrk. In lane a vayne will have a hard time vs cait, corki will do more damage but only up until a certain point, corki also can't harass like cait. Ez shouldn't be a hard lane for vayne at all. As long as you have your support push the lane early so that you don't get all-ined lv2, there's really no reason a vayne can't farm early on. Corki + X support, is far more likely to have pushing power than Vayne + Y support. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On October 14 2013 09:03 Pantagruel wrote: So I've been playing Shyvana top lane for a few months now with a fair amount of success. I've gotten from silver 4 to silver 1 around 85 points in. Lately though, I've been having a few more issues in lane. I usually stomp any and all melee opponents in lane with shyvana but more often I find myself going even which is not desirable as I don't bring too much to teamfights except for a nice hard initiate. I'm looking to master a new champ in top lane. I've tried Vladimir for about a dozen games in normals to mediocre success. I don't hate him but I feel too squishy in teamfights specifically and I'm not that great at using the pool at the optimal time I feel like. I've also tried Irelia for about 4-5 games without too much success. I do very poorly early game because I frequently get harassed to death or if not, I get ganked with no escapes. I like her if the game goes on however. I'm thinking I prefer a very tanky champ that does solid in lane, but can still be a threat in teamfights. I like Shyvana so much because she is a lane bully and is ungankable. There is no frills about her, she just dives in and kills people and is difficult to take down. I bought Renekton recently and think he might be a champ that fits my playstyle but I was wondering if anyone can recommend another champ for me to try out who is not hugely vulnerable in lane and plays like a tank. Durhius doesn't have any escapes though. I play Jax pretty tanky. He's more single target than Shyv though so you might want to get say a iceborne if you're against Renekton or someone with physical damage and you want some AoE damage. Otherwise try to focus more on dueling than standing in the middle of teamfights. He's also not an initiator of 5v5 fights. Other scary strong tanky tops include Garen. Not sure how he is post remake but you can disrespect people by dancing on their corpses so there's that. Garen's pretty tough to gank as well. The biggest problem is that Garen doesn't initiate. When he tries to, the enemy team just kites him for days. Volibear is an iffy top. I usually lose with him because my enemies get out of my ult but with his ult up, and if the enemy stays to fight he can be decent. Also mediocre escapes. Singed was probably better at escaping ganks back when he had cc reduction but he does the same thing as Shyvana later on by initiating and doing AoE damage. I don't really play singed though. Also he gets crushed harder than Vlad by those ranged champs you have trouble with. No matter who you play, expect to lose quite a bit while you gain the hang of them. | ||
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Pantagruel
United States1427 Posts
Anyhow, thanks for the input. I think I will practice some of these champs that fit my playstyle more then trying to focus on more variety like Vlad. | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
On October 14 2013 09:03 Pantagruel wrote: So I've been playing Shyvana top lane for a few months now with a fair amount of success. I've gotten from silver 4 to silver 1 around 85 points in. Lately though, I've been having a few more issues in lane. I usually stomp any and all melee opponents in lane with shyvana but more often I find myself going even which is not desirable as I don't bring too much to teamfights except for a nice hard initiate. I'm looking to master a new champ in top lane. I've tried Vladimir for about a dozen games in normals to mediocre success. I don't hate him but I feel too squishy in teamfights specifically and I'm not that great at using the pool at the optimal time I feel like. I've also tried Irelia for about 4-5 games without too much success. I do very poorly early game because I frequently get harassed to death or if not, I get ganked with no escapes. I like her if the game goes on however. I'm thinking I prefer a very tanky champ that does solid in lane, but can still be a threat in teamfights. I like Shyvana so much because she is a lane bully and is ungankable. There is no frills about her, she just dives in and kills people and is difficult to take down. I bought Renekton recently and think he might be a champ that fits my playstyle but I was wondering if anyone can recommend another champ for me to try out who is not hugely vulnerable in lane and plays like a tank. i did nasus top from gold 2 to plat that guy is freelo and i only own 2 rune pages worth, you only have like less then 5 bad matchups while convincingly crushing popular picks like shen trynd (unless u get rnged) and malphite and a lot more | ||
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dae
Canada1600 Posts
On October 14 2013 08:54 zulu_nation8 wrote: if you lasthit and tumble away which is what youre supposed to be doing at early levels you shouldnt be taking phos bombs You cant dodge instant travel time spells. That just means the corki is bad. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On October 14 2013 09:25 dae wrote: You cant dodge instant travel time spells. That just means the corki is bad. Pretty much. Also, tumbling away after every last hit means you're resigning yourself to never harassing in lane, which means you're always going to be on the losing side of trades, every time. Like someone mentioned earlier, there are small snippets of time where Vayne can retaliate, they're small, but they do happen. Her Level 3 timing can be pretty deadly with some support champions, she can also win a lot of opportunistic misplays on opponents part. | ||
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smOOthMayDie
United States997 Posts
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On October 14 2013 09:29 wei2coolman wrote: Pretty much. Also, tumbling away after every last hit means you're resigning yourself to never harassing in lane, which means you're always going to be on the losing side of trades, every time. Like someone mentioned earlier, there are small snippets of time where Vayne can retaliate, they're small, but they do happen. Her Level 3 timing can be pretty deadly with some support champions, she can also win a lot of opportunistic misplays on opponents part. While true, I don't know how the discussion swung into a Vayne E-Peen contest, or the validity of Vayne's current power levels. The question is: Who actually thinks Riot should make Vayne more Vayne-y. Short range, worse laning, more damage midgame, ridiculously higher damage lategame (like, to balance this out she is going to be able to 4-5 shot a fully built shen). I actually think that Riot is the last "person" to want that. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On October 14 2013 10:00 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: Ghandi is a troll tho I can account for the realness. | ||
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kongoline
6318 Posts
On October 14 2013 09:03 Pantagruel wrote: So I've been playing Shyvana top lane for a few months now with a fair amount of success. I've gotten from silver 4 to silver 1 around 85 points in. Lately though, I've been having a few more issues in lane. I usually stomp any and all melee opponents in lane with shyvana but more often I find myself going even which is not desirable as I don't bring too much to teamfights except for a nice hard initiate. I'm looking to master a new champ in top lane. I've tried Vladimir for about a dozen games in normals to mediocre success. I don't hate him but I feel too squishy in teamfights specifically and I'm not that great at using the pool at the optimal time I feel like. I've also tried Irelia for about 4-5 games without too much success. I do very poorly early game because I frequently get harassed to death or if not, I get ganked with no escapes. I like her if the game goes on however. I'm thinking I prefer a very tanky champ that does solid in lane, but can still be a threat in teamfights. I like Shyvana so much because she is a lane bully and is ungankable. There is no frills about her, she just dives in and kills people and is difficult to take down. I bought Renekton recently and think he might be a champ that fits my playstyle but I was wondering if anyone can recommend another champ for me to try out who is not hugely vulnerable in lane and plays like a tank. shen, zac, malphite if u search for retard proof utility tank, kennen if ur ok with squishy but also pretty much retard proof top laner | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
I repeat that if she had been released with 525 instead of getting a last second range change before release - do not get the false impression it was thought out, they didn't do things that way back then* - and then balanced from there you guys would be flipping out at the thought of changing her into the current version. *remember how they had no idea what Yorick ult was going to be until just before release? | ||
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LaM
United States1321 Posts
Also mentioned this is the 3rd time he's been betrayed by Curse and he is done with them, not a lot of time for him to join an amateur team so he might try out for Dignitas or try and get picked up by somebody as a sub. --- I really hope Pobe finds a solid team either spring or summer split. I think he's done everything right, focusing and finishing his high school studies while maintaining a really high level of play. He's a really chill and talented player, and I'm looking forward to the day when he's done with high school and on a team that will show him some loyalty. I would personally love to see him on Dignitas, scarra and qt both love him and he would have great chemistry with those guys. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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UniversalSnip
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On October 14 2013 10:43 UniversalSnip wrote: Yeah, can't change vayne without creating an early game monster. Whatever. Way to take things out of context. I said you can't reduce Vayne's range without making her into more of a blunt force instrument. Lets just say we took Vayne and made her Vayne-525. Vayne-525 sucks in lane, is probably still a strong duelist, and is slightly weaker in teamfights. To make Vayne-525 as strong as Vayne, you need to buff something. Your suggestion basically means skill is less relevant to her earlygame. Mine makes her lategame more terrifying. What are the other options? Give her a ranged skillshot? | ||
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