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Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
October 13 2013 22:35 GMT
#3841
So. I raged, I doubted, I almost gave up a couple of times. But now, about 50 games of rampant feeding and raging teammates later, I finally "get" Gangplank. Currently in the middle of a pretty convincing winstreak.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
Leeto
Profile Joined August 2007
United States1320 Posts
October 13 2013 22:35 GMT
#3842
On October 14 2013 07:02 Kinie wrote:
Speaking of ADCs, is an energy-based ADC viable or no?


Does any hero actually care about mana these days?
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-13 22:39:51
October 13 2013 22:37 GMT
#3843
On October 14 2013 07:26 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2013 07:23 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On October 14 2013 07:16 zulu_nation8 wrote:
vayne vs. cait is hard but I don't see how you lose trades with ez and corki, trading means getting a few autos off vs. maybe tanking a skillshot.

Have you ever played as corki or against corki? I suggest you do before stating such ridiculous things about that matchup. Corki is a harder counter to vayne than caitlyn is. You do not want to be trading autos against a corki. And realize that all this should be played out in 2v2 scenarios where burst damage is much more meaningful than sustained damage.

Also vayne vs ezreal is probably one of the easier matchups for vayne, but it's more of a 50/50 matchup. If you trade 3 autos at a time the vayne will win, but ezreal has better poke and can play 2v2s better in general.

The real question is have you?Because ez is the easiest matchup in the game for vayne and corki is definitely manageable.

So your point is that her easiest lane matchup is a 50/50 matchup because ezreal should not lose this lane flat out either.

And corki has one of the best winrates against vayne lol. I honestly don't see how anyone could say this is a manageable matchup if caitlyn is an unmanageable one. Corki wins every trade pre 6 and still wins trades after 6, has better poke, can push, can punish vayne going for cs the same way as caitlyn, and unlike caitlyn doesn't lose in an all in if vayne manages to close in. You can't trade autos because corki has 10% added true damage, and 1 auto phosphorous bomb takes like 30% of your health.
EquilasH
Profile Joined April 2009
Denmark2142 Posts
October 13 2013 22:43 GMT
#3844
I, too, don't really see why people are saying Vayne is a hard matchup for Corki. I understand why Vayne is good against Corki/Leona though.
wat
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
October 13 2013 22:43 GMT
#3845
On October 14 2013 07:37 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2013 07:26 nafta wrote:
On October 14 2013 07:23 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On October 14 2013 07:16 zulu_nation8 wrote:
vayne vs. cait is hard but I don't see how you lose trades with ez and corki, trading means getting a few autos off vs. maybe tanking a skillshot.

Have you ever played as corki or against corki? I suggest you do before stating such ridiculous things about that matchup. Corki is a harder counter to vayne than caitlyn is. You do not want to be trading autos against a corki. And realize that all this should be played out in 2v2 scenarios where burst damage is much more meaningful than sustained damage.

Also vayne vs ezreal is probably one of the easier matchups for vayne, but it's more of a 50/50 matchup. If you trade 3 autos at a time the vayne will win, but ezreal has better poke and can play 2v2s better in general.

The real question is have you?Because ez is the easiest matchup in the game for vayne and corki is definitely manageable.

So your point is that her easiest lane matchup is a 50/50 matchup because ezreal should not lose this lane flat out either.

And corki has one of the best winrates against vayne lol. I honestly don't see how anyone could say this is a manageable matchup if caitlyn is an unmanageable one. Corki wins every trade pre 6 and still wins trades after 6, has better poke, can push, can punish vayne going for cs the same way as caitlyn, and unlike caitlyn doesn't lose in an all in if vayne manages to close in. You can't trade autos because corki has 10% added true damage, and 1 auto phosphorous bomb takes like 30% of your health.

Vayne vs ez is definitely not a 50/50 matchup.That's just straight up bs.If it was people wouldn't be scared to pick ez early when vayne isn't banned.

Yes but he also is mana dependant and in a sustain lane you can just outlast him.Bot lane doesn't come down to "well their ad does more with his basic poke in lane than me".It's all about controlling the wave.
nojitosunrise
Profile Joined August 2011
United States6188 Posts
October 13 2013 22:50 GMT
#3846

Old prototypes?
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
October 13 2013 22:52 GMT
#3847
On October 14 2013 07:43 EquilasH wrote:
I, too, don't really see why people are saying Vayne is a hard matchup for Corki. I understand why Vayne is good against Corki/Leona though.


arguing about whether it's unmanageable, i'm saying vayne has an easier time farming vs. corki than vs. cait. You can take less free autos vs. corki than vs. cait.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-13 23:00:32
October 13 2013 22:56 GMT
#3848
On October 14 2013 07:43 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2013 07:37 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On October 14 2013 07:26 nafta wrote:
On October 14 2013 07:23 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On October 14 2013 07:16 zulu_nation8 wrote:
vayne vs. cait is hard but I don't see how you lose trades with ez and corki, trading means getting a few autos off vs. maybe tanking a skillshot.

Have you ever played as corki or against corki? I suggest you do before stating such ridiculous things about that matchup. Corki is a harder counter to vayne than caitlyn is. You do not want to be trading autos against a corki. And realize that all this should be played out in 2v2 scenarios where burst damage is much more meaningful than sustained damage.

Also vayne vs ezreal is probably one of the easier matchups for vayne, but it's more of a 50/50 matchup. If you trade 3 autos at a time the vayne will win, but ezreal has better poke and can play 2v2s better in general.

The real question is have you?Because ez is the easiest matchup in the game for vayne and corki is definitely manageable.

So your point is that her easiest lane matchup is a 50/50 matchup because ezreal should not lose this lane flat out either.

And corki has one of the best winrates against vayne lol. I honestly don't see how anyone could say this is a manageable matchup if caitlyn is an unmanageable one. Corki wins every trade pre 6 and still wins trades after 6, has better poke, can push, can punish vayne going for cs the same way as caitlyn, and unlike caitlyn doesn't lose in an all in if vayne manages to close in. You can't trade autos because corki has 10% added true damage, and 1 auto phosphorous bomb takes like 30% of your health.

Vayne vs ez is definitely not a 50/50 matchup.That's just straight up bs.If it was people wouldn't be scared to pick ez early when vayne isn't banned.

Yes but he also is mana dependant and in a sustain lane you can just outlast him.Bot lane doesn't come down to "well their ad does more with his basic poke in lane than me".It's all about controlling the wave.

After they buffed corki he has almost no mana issues. If you use up all his mana it means you're either dead or have 90% of your health missing. Before your first back there is no way to sustain through that. Even after getting vamp sceptre there is no way a corki should be letting you get free autos on a creep wave to the point where you can stay at good health. If you play this lane evenly it means the corki is being really passive. He should be trying to punish a vayne as much as he can for taking cs. Also, unlike caitlyn, corki has a means of getting on top of you and finishing you off easily. Staying at 40% health or below is really dangerous.

The one saving grace vayne has against certain matchups is that small opening you might have early on to get a kill and chase down a target, perhaps with the help of a jungler. This doesn't really exist against a corki thanks to valkyrie and it generally being really, really difficult to win an all in vs a corki and is why I believe the matchup is harder.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
October 13 2013 23:00 GMT
#3849
you can farm under tower or control your wave, no AD can just magically harass the other down to 40% without getting any damage in return.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
October 13 2013 23:10 GMT
#3850
If you insist on the fact that a corki is just going to let you do whatever you want with the lane and push it evenly somehow then there's no way I can convince you otherwise. If your lane matchup is worse, your all in potential is worse, and your trades are worse you don't have the freedom to be pushing as hard as you can with no pushing skills.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
October 13 2013 23:12 GMT
#3851
On October 14 2013 07:02 Kinie wrote:
Speaking of ADCs, is an energy-based ADC viable or no?

Well pre nerfs a long time ago genja rocked everyone with ADC kennen (And jimbz still does)
Glorious SEA doto
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-13 23:40:06
October 13 2013 23:39 GMT
#3852
On October 14 2013 07:52 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2013 07:43 EquilasH wrote:
I, too, don't really see why people are saying Vayne is a hard matchup for Corki. I understand why Vayne is good against Corki/Leona though.


arguing about whether it's unmanageable, i'm saying vayne has an easier time farming vs. corki than vs. cait. You can take less free autos vs. corki than vs. cait.

On the other hand, when you take a free auto from corki, you are probably also taking a phos bomb, which can get pretty painful pretty quickly.
On October 14 2013 08:12 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2013 07:02 Kinie wrote:
Speaking of ADCs, is an energy-based ADC viable or no?

Well pre nerfs a long time ago genja rocked everyone with ADC kennen (And jimbz still does)

Jimbz didn't really rock the LCS with AD Kennen though. :p
smOOthMayDie
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States997 Posts
October 13 2013 23:41 GMT
#3853
I swear I'm stuck in gold for life. Season 1, 2, 3 all in gold. :/

I wonder if its a mental block. T_T
twitch.tv/TKSaga twitter.com/TKSagaTV YT: Tinyurl.com/TKSaga
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 13 2013 23:46 GMT
#3854
On October 14 2013 08:39 sylverfyre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2013 08:12 Fusilero wrote:
On October 14 2013 07:02 Kinie wrote:
Speaking of ADCs, is an energy-based ADC viable or no?

Well pre nerfs a long time ago genja rocked everyone with ADC kennen (And jimbz still does)

Jimbz didn't really rock the LCS with AD Kennen though. :p

he totes did tho
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Anakko
Profile Joined August 2012
France1934 Posts
October 13 2013 23:50 GMT
#3855
On October 14 2013 07:35 Osmoses wrote:
So. I raged, I doubted, I almost gave up a couple of times. But now, about 50 games of rampant feeding and raging teammates later, I finally "get" Gangplank. Currently in the middle of a pretty convincing winstreak.


I love when this happens... Win convincingly with that same champ you used to feed with has got to be the most satisfying feeling there is.
TrAce/Cpt Jack for president (or both)
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
October 13 2013 23:53 GMT
#3856
On October 14 2013 08:39 sylverfyre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2013 07:52 zulu_nation8 wrote:
On October 14 2013 07:43 EquilasH wrote:
I, too, don't really see why people are saying Vayne is a hard matchup for Corki. I understand why Vayne is good against Corki/Leona though.


arguing about whether it's unmanageable, i'm saying vayne has an easier time farming vs. corki than vs. cait. You can take less free autos vs. corki than vs. cait.

On the other hand, when you take a free auto from corki, you are probably also taking a phos bomb, which can get pretty painful pretty quickly.
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2013 08:12 Fusilero wrote:
On October 14 2013 07:02 Kinie wrote:
Speaking of ADCs, is an energy-based ADC viable or no?

Well pre nerfs a long time ago genja rocked everyone with ADC kennen (And jimbz still does)

Jimbz didn't really rock the LCS with AD Kennen though. :p

He sorta did, he drew a load of kennen bans in giants matches from every team. It's a shame that jimbz fell out of LCS as he was a great ADC but giants were so scared of everything and would jerk off and do nothing with a 10k gold lead.
Glorious SEA doto
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
October 13 2013 23:53 GMT
#3857
got plat with 2 weeks to spare fuckin ezpz i love free wins when people pick jinx what a garbage adc
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
October 13 2013 23:54 GMT
#3858
if you lasthit and tumble away which is what youre supposed to be doing at early levels you shouldnt be taking phos bombs
Complete
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1864 Posts
October 13 2013 23:59 GMT
#3859
do awkward question

how the fuck do you aim jarvan's eq so it hits all of the monsters in a camp?

I fail every time.

Pantagruel
Profile Joined September 2011
United States1427 Posts
October 14 2013 00:03 GMT
#3860
So I've been playing Shyvana top lane for a few months now with a fair amount of success. I've gotten from silver 4 to silver 1 around 85 points in. Lately though, I've been having a few more issues in lane. I usually stomp any and all melee opponents in lane with shyvana but more often I find myself going even which is not desirable as I don't bring too much to teamfights except for a nice hard initiate.

I'm looking to master a new champ in top lane. I've tried Vladimir for about a dozen games in normals to mediocre success. I don't hate him but I feel too squishy in teamfights specifically and I'm not that great at using the pool at the optimal time I feel like. I've also tried Irelia for about 4-5 games without too much success. I do very poorly early game because I frequently get harassed to death or if not, I get ganked with no escapes. I like her if the game goes on however.

I'm thinking I prefer a very tanky champ that does solid in lane, but can still be a threat in teamfights. I like Shyvana so much because she is a lane bully and is ungankable. There is no frills about her, she just dives in and kills people and is difficult to take down. I bought Renekton recently and think he might be a champ that fits my playstyle but I was wondering if anyone can recommend another champ for me to try out who is not hugely vulnerable in lane and plays like a tank.
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