EPT[Patch 3.12] (j/k) Jinx General Discussion - Page 193
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
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Leeto
United States1320 Posts
On October 14 2013 07:02 Kinie wrote: Speaking of ADCs, is an energy-based ADC viable or no? Does any hero actually care about mana these days? | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On October 14 2013 07:26 nafta wrote: The real question is have you?Because ez is the easiest matchup in the game for vayne and corki is definitely manageable. So your point is that her easiest lane matchup is a 50/50 matchup because ezreal should not lose this lane flat out either. And corki has one of the best winrates against vayne lol. I honestly don't see how anyone could say this is a manageable matchup if caitlyn is an unmanageable one. Corki wins every trade pre 6 and still wins trades after 6, has better poke, can push, can punish vayne going for cs the same way as caitlyn, and unlike caitlyn doesn't lose in an all in if vayne manages to close in. You can't trade autos because corki has 10% added true damage, and 1 auto phosphorous bomb takes like 30% of your health. | ||
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EquilasH
Denmark2142 Posts
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On October 14 2013 07:37 Itsmedudeman wrote: So your point is that her easiest lane matchup is a 50/50 matchup because ezreal should not lose this lane flat out either. And corki has one of the best winrates against vayne lol. I honestly don't see how anyone could say this is a manageable matchup if caitlyn is an unmanageable one. Corki wins every trade pre 6 and still wins trades after 6, has better poke, can push, can punish vayne going for cs the same way as caitlyn, and unlike caitlyn doesn't lose in an all in if vayne manages to close in. You can't trade autos because corki has 10% added true damage, and 1 auto phosphorous bomb takes like 30% of your health. Vayne vs ez is definitely not a 50/50 matchup.That's just straight up bs.If it was people wouldn't be scared to pick ez early when vayne isn't banned. Yes but he also is mana dependant and in a sustain lane you can just outlast him.Bot lane doesn't come down to "well their ad does more with his basic poke in lane than me".It's all about controlling the wave. | ||
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nojitosunrise
United States6188 Posts
Old prototypes? | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
On October 14 2013 07:43 EquilasH wrote: I, too, don't really see why people are saying Vayne is a hard matchup for Corki. I understand why Vayne is good against Corki/Leona though. arguing about whether it's unmanageable, i'm saying vayne has an easier time farming vs. corki than vs. cait. You can take less free autos vs. corki than vs. cait. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On October 14 2013 07:43 nafta wrote: Vayne vs ez is definitely not a 50/50 matchup.That's just straight up bs.If it was people wouldn't be scared to pick ez early when vayne isn't banned. Yes but he also is mana dependant and in a sustain lane you can just outlast him.Bot lane doesn't come down to "well their ad does more with his basic poke in lane than me".It's all about controlling the wave. After they buffed corki he has almost no mana issues. If you use up all his mana it means you're either dead or have 90% of your health missing. Before your first back there is no way to sustain through that. Even after getting vamp sceptre there is no way a corki should be letting you get free autos on a creep wave to the point where you can stay at good health. If you play this lane evenly it means the corki is being really passive. He should be trying to punish a vayne as much as he can for taking cs. Also, unlike caitlyn, corki has a means of getting on top of you and finishing you off easily. Staying at 40% health or below is really dangerous. The one saving grace vayne has against certain matchups is that small opening you might have early on to get a kill and chase down a target, perhaps with the help of a jungler. This doesn't really exist against a corki thanks to valkyrie and it generally being really, really difficult to win an all in vs a corki and is why I believe the matchup is harder. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On October 14 2013 07:02 Kinie wrote: Speaking of ADCs, is an energy-based ADC viable or no? Well pre nerfs a long time ago genja rocked everyone with ADC kennen (And jimbz still does) | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On October 14 2013 07:52 zulu_nation8 wrote: arguing about whether it's unmanageable, i'm saying vayne has an easier time farming vs. corki than vs. cait. You can take less free autos vs. corki than vs. cait. On the other hand, when you take a free auto from corki, you are probably also taking a phos bomb, which can get pretty painful pretty quickly. On October 14 2013 08:12 Fusilero wrote: Well pre nerfs a long time ago genja rocked everyone with ADC kennen (And jimbz still does) Jimbz didn't really rock the LCS with AD Kennen though. :p | ||
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smOOthMayDie
United States997 Posts
I wonder if its a mental block. T_T | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On October 14 2013 08:39 sylverfyre wrote: Jimbz didn't really rock the LCS with AD Kennen though. :p he totes did tho | ||
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Anakko
France1934 Posts
On October 14 2013 07:35 Osmoses wrote: So. I raged, I doubted, I almost gave up a couple of times. But now, about 50 games of rampant feeding and raging teammates later, I finally "get" Gangplank. Currently in the middle of a pretty convincing winstreak. I love when this happens... Win convincingly with that same champ you used to feed with has got to be the most satisfying feeling there is. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On October 14 2013 08:39 sylverfyre wrote: On the other hand, when you take a free auto from corki, you are probably also taking a phos bomb, which can get pretty painful pretty quickly. Jimbz didn't really rock the LCS with AD Kennen though. :p He sorta did, he drew a load of kennen bans in giants matches from every team. It's a shame that jimbz fell out of LCS as he was a great ADC but giants were so scared of everything and would jerk off and do nothing with a 10k gold lead. | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Complete
United States1864 Posts
how the fuck do you aim jarvan's eq so it hits all of the monsters in a camp? I fail every time.  | ||
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Pantagruel
United States1427 Posts
I'm looking to master a new champ in top lane. I've tried Vladimir for about a dozen games in normals to mediocre success. I don't hate him but I feel too squishy in teamfights specifically and I'm not that great at using the pool at the optimal time I feel like. I've also tried Irelia for about 4-5 games without too much success. I do very poorly early game because I frequently get harassed to death or if not, I get ganked with no escapes. I like her if the game goes on however. I'm thinking I prefer a very tanky champ that does solid in lane, but can still be a threat in teamfights. I like Shyvana so much because she is a lane bully and is ungankable. There is no frills about her, she just dives in and kills people and is difficult to take down. I bought Renekton recently and think he might be a champ that fits my playstyle but I was wondering if anyone can recommend another champ for me to try out who is not hugely vulnerable in lane and plays like a tank. | ||
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