EPT[Patch 3.12] (j/k) Jinx General Discussion - Page 187
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ExoFun
Netherlands2041 Posts
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
On October 14 2013 03:48 UniversalSnip wrote: Wait, you disagree with this? Obviously she'd need to be buffed in other ways but playing her you can feel that her entire skillset is designed around slightly lower range than she has now, I think improving her skills and decreasing her AAs to 525 would be a great change. Yes I disagree with this because it would be absolutely impossible to lane vs Cait, Corki, Varus, Ashe or any other AD that's not sivir, heck even Ezreal would probably stomp on her again. I think Graves is pretty bad but at least his burst and smokescreen utility is a decent tradeoff. In today's meta of shit like Vi, Jarvan, Jax and countless 100-0 assassins I don't think any AD should have less than 550. But I'm also biased cause I play ad & mid. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
There's a reason Sivir is sivir status. | ||
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UniversalSnip
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On October 14 2013 03:54 wei2coolman wrote: The problem isn't teamfights, its laning phase, her laning phase already super painful, 25 range would absolutely wreck that. her terribleness in lane is way overstated, it's true she hardly ever wins it but I really don't think it's any more common for her to get outright rolled than some random other AD. You'd have to work pretty hard to get everything in the right place, but make her skills stronger, I'd say it's totally realistic for her to lane with the same range as quinn and graves. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On October 14 2013 04:03 UniversalSnip wrote: her terribleness in lane is way overstated, it's true she hardly ever wins it but I really don't think it's any more common for her to get outright rolled than some random other AD. Try playing Vayne against Corki. If that's not painful, I don't know what is. | ||
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LaM
United States1321 Posts
On October 14 2013 03:59 AsnSensation wrote: Yes I disagree with this because it would be absolutely impossible to lane vs Cait, Corki, Varus, Ashe or any other AD that's not sivir, heck even Ezreal would probably stomp on her again. I think Graves is pretty bad but at least his burst and smokescreen utility is a decent tradeoff. In today's meta of shit like Vi, Jarvan, Jax and countless 100-0 assassins I don't think any AD should have less than 550. But I'm also biased cause I play ad & mid. I agree. 550 feels like the minimum. The only ADs with less are Graves, Quinn, and Sivir, who despite kits full of burst and steroids are never played and stomped when they are. At least the other 3 have abilities to trade with that are longer than their range, Vayne has absolutely nothing to lane with if she had 525 range. You would have to try and 2v1 every game. | ||
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LaM
United States1321 Posts
On October 14 2013 04:03 UniversalSnip wrote: her terribleness in lane is way overstated, it's true she hardly ever wins it but I really don't think it's any more common for her to get outright rolled than some random other AD. That's just not remotely true at high levels of play. | ||
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UniversalSnip
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On October 14 2013 04:07 UniversalSnip wrote: citation needed lam Locodoco on Corki, 80 cs, Vayne was 19 cs at the time. Yes, Locodoco > solo queue player, but that gap was too big. | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On October 14 2013 04:08 wei2coolman wrote: Locodoco on Corki, 80 cs, Vayne was 19 cs at the time. Yes, Locodoco > solo queue player, but that gap was too big. really dude? c'mon. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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LaM
United States1321 Posts
On October 14 2013 04:09 UniversalSnip wrote: i bet if she'd been released with the range she was designed with, she wouldn't have gotten nerfed fifty million times. then if there a proposal floating around to increase her range but make all her skills way way worse everyone would be like "wtf is this." really dude? c'mon. On October 14 2013 04:07 UniversalSnip wrote: citation needed lam Is there really? Get to diamond playing AD, watch a variety of pro games from various scenes and see how often they 2v2 Vayne against Corki/Cait/anything without Zyra or jungler camp at the very least, read anything pro players say about Vayne. This isn't a disputed fact at all, besides by you and perhaps other players without a lot of bot lane game knowledge. Vayne either 2v1s or loses incredibly hard. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
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Swords
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d.Quas? or Crs.Quas? | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On October 14 2013 04:04 LaM wrote: I agree. 550 feels like the minimum. The only ADs with less are Graves, Quinn, and Sivir, who despite kits full of burst and steroids are never played and stomped when they are. At least the other 3 have abilities to trade with that are longer than their range, Vayne has absolutely nothing to lane with if she had 525 range. You would have to try and 2v1 every game. Wow. I remember now when Graves was getting his string of nerfs. This one slipped by me. General: Attack range reduced to 525 from 550. http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Graves/Background | ||
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Amethyst21
Canada7032 Posts
On October 14 2013 04:17 Numy wrote: That would suck if it happens. Promising team plundered before getting their feet off the ground. quas to dignitas, Bischu to Curse problem solved. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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