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ExoFun
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2041 Posts
October 13 2013 18:55 GMT
#3721
Did they already lived in the curse mansion with the other members? or were they praccing from their homes?
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
October 13 2013 18:56 GMT
#3722
Dom was already living their but Zekent and Aphro haven't moved in yet.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
October 13 2013 18:59 GMT
#3723
On October 14 2013 03:48 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2013 03:34 AsnSensation wrote:
On October 14 2013 03:29 wei2coolman wrote:
All this Sivir talk, qtpie just said "anyone see Sivir changes? did Riot just nerf the shit out of her?" (he said it as if he's pretty sure Riot just made Sivir even more unplayable)
On October 14 2013 03:27 Numy wrote:
Lol Quaility managing going on from curse.


No more throwbelter


Just saw a post from Morello where he agrees that vayne's ranged should be lowered to 525, that man is a genius.

Wait, you disagree with this? Obviously she'd need to be buffed in other ways but playing her you can feel that her entire skillset is designed around slightly lower range than she has now, I think improving her skills and decreasing her AAs to 525 would be a great change.


Yes I disagree with this because it would be absolutely impossible to lane vs Cait, Corki, Varus, Ashe or any other AD that's not sivir, heck even Ezreal would probably stomp on her again. I think Graves is pretty bad but at least his burst and smokescreen utility is a decent tradeoff. In today's meta of shit like Vi, Jarvan, Jax and countless 100-0 assassins I don't think any AD should have less than 550.

But I'm also biased cause I play ad & mid.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 13 2013 19:01 GMT
#3724
If vayne's range gets lowered, she'd become Sivir status.

There's a reason Sivir is sivir status.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-13 19:05:38
October 13 2013 19:03 GMT
#3725
On October 14 2013 03:54 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2013 03:51 UniversalSnip wrote:
On October 14 2013 03:50 wei2coolman wrote:
On October 14 2013 03:48 UniversalSnip wrote:
On October 14 2013 03:34 AsnSensation wrote:
On October 14 2013 03:29 wei2coolman wrote:
All this Sivir talk, qtpie just said "anyone see Sivir changes? did Riot just nerf the shit out of her?" (he said it as if he's pretty sure Riot just made Sivir even more unplayable)
On October 14 2013 03:27 Numy wrote:
Lol Quaility managing going on from curse.

https://twitter.com/imPobelter/status/389451051587219457

No more throwbelter


Just saw a post from Morello where he agrees that vayne's ranged should be lowered to 525, that man is a genius.

Wait, you disagree with this? Obviously she'd need to be buffed in other ways but playing her you can feel that her entire skillset is designed around slightly lower range than she has now, I think improving her skills and decreasing her AAs to 525 would be a great change.

She would be unplayable, range changes completely wrecks champions.
Kennen and Ryze...

kennen and ryze didn't get shit for compensation. I'm not saying it would be easy but it makes sense, all her skills are built around dodging around on the edge of her spacing range.

The problem isn't teamfights, its laning phase, her laning phase already super painful, 25 range would absolutely wreck that.

her terribleness in lane is way overstated, it's true she hardly ever wins it but I really don't think it's any more common for her to get outright rolled than some random other AD. You'd have to work pretty hard to get everything in the right place, but make her skills stronger, I'd say it's totally realistic for her to lane with the same range as quinn and graves.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 13 2013 19:04 GMT
#3726
On October 14 2013 04:03 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2013 03:54 wei2coolman wrote:
On October 14 2013 03:51 UniversalSnip wrote:
On October 14 2013 03:50 wei2coolman wrote:
On October 14 2013 03:48 UniversalSnip wrote:
On October 14 2013 03:34 AsnSensation wrote:
On October 14 2013 03:29 wei2coolman wrote:
All this Sivir talk, qtpie just said "anyone see Sivir changes? did Riot just nerf the shit out of her?" (he said it as if he's pretty sure Riot just made Sivir even more unplayable)
On October 14 2013 03:27 Numy wrote:
Lol Quaility managing going on from curse.

https://twitter.com/imPobelter/status/389451051587219457

No more throwbelter


Just saw a post from Morello where he agrees that vayne's ranged should be lowered to 525, that man is a genius.

Wait, you disagree with this? Obviously she'd need to be buffed in other ways but playing her you can feel that her entire skillset is designed around slightly lower range than she has now, I think improving her skills and decreasing her AAs to 525 would be a great change.

She would be unplayable, range changes completely wrecks champions.
Kennen and Ryze...

kennen and ryze didn't get shit for compensation. I'm not saying it would be easy but it makes sense, all her skills are built around dodging around on the edge of her spacing range.

The problem isn't teamfights, its laning phase, her laning phase already super painful, 25 range would absolutely wreck that.

her terribleness in lane is way overstated, it's true she hardly ever wins it but I really don't think it's any more common for her to get outright rolled than some random other AD.

Try playing Vayne against Corki. If that's not painful, I don't know what is.
liftlift > tsm
LaM
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States1321 Posts
October 13 2013 19:04 GMT
#3727
On October 14 2013 03:59 AsnSensation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2013 03:48 UniversalSnip wrote:
On October 14 2013 03:34 AsnSensation wrote:
On October 14 2013 03:29 wei2coolman wrote:
All this Sivir talk, qtpie just said "anyone see Sivir changes? did Riot just nerf the shit out of her?" (he said it as if he's pretty sure Riot just made Sivir even more unplayable)
On October 14 2013 03:27 Numy wrote:
Lol Quaility managing going on from curse.

https://twitter.com/imPobelter/status/389451051587219457

No more throwbelter


Just saw a post from Morello where he agrees that vayne's ranged should be lowered to 525, that man is a genius.

Wait, you disagree with this? Obviously she'd need to be buffed in other ways but playing her you can feel that her entire skillset is designed around slightly lower range than she has now, I think improving her skills and decreasing her AAs to 525 would be a great change.


Yes I disagree with this because it would be absolutely impossible to lane vs Cait, Corki, Varus, Ashe or any other AD that's not sivir, heck even Ezreal would probably stomp on her again. I think Graves is pretty bad but at least his burst and smokescreen utility is a decent tradeoff. In today's meta of shit like Vi, Jarvan, Jax and countless 100-0 assassins I don't think any AD should have less than 550.

But I'm also biased cause I play ad & mid.


I agree. 550 feels like the minimum. The only ADs with less are Graves, Quinn, and Sivir, who despite kits full of burst and steroids are never played and stomped when they are. At least the other 3 have abilities to trade with that are longer than their range, Vayne has absolutely nothing to lane with if she had 525 range. You would have to try and 2v1 every game.
Anything is Possible
LaM
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States1321 Posts
October 13 2013 19:06 GMT
#3728
On October 14 2013 04:03 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2013 03:54 wei2coolman wrote:
On October 14 2013 03:51 UniversalSnip wrote:
On October 14 2013 03:50 wei2coolman wrote:
On October 14 2013 03:48 UniversalSnip wrote:
On October 14 2013 03:34 AsnSensation wrote:
On October 14 2013 03:29 wei2coolman wrote:
All this Sivir talk, qtpie just said "anyone see Sivir changes? did Riot just nerf the shit out of her?" (he said it as if he's pretty sure Riot just made Sivir even more unplayable)
On October 14 2013 03:27 Numy wrote:
Lol Quaility managing going on from curse.

https://twitter.com/imPobelter/status/389451051587219457

No more throwbelter


Just saw a post from Morello where he agrees that vayne's ranged should be lowered to 525, that man is a genius.

Wait, you disagree with this? Obviously she'd need to be buffed in other ways but playing her you can feel that her entire skillset is designed around slightly lower range than she has now, I think improving her skills and decreasing her AAs to 525 would be a great change.

She would be unplayable, range changes completely wrecks champions.
Kennen and Ryze...

kennen and ryze didn't get shit for compensation. I'm not saying it would be easy but it makes sense, all her skills are built around dodging around on the edge of her spacing range.

The problem isn't teamfights, its laning phase, her laning phase already super painful, 25 range would absolutely wreck that.

her terribleness in lane is way overstated, it's true she hardly ever wins it but I really don't think it's any more common for her to get outright rolled than some random other AD.


That's just not remotely true at high levels of play.
Anything is Possible
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
October 13 2013 19:07 GMT
#3729
citation needed lam
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
October 13 2013 19:08 GMT
#3730
I'd be fine with Vayne going to 525 range. Then she'd stop getting picked, problem solved.
Hey! How you doin'?
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 13 2013 19:08 GMT
#3731
On October 14 2013 04:07 UniversalSnip wrote:
citation needed lam

Locodoco on Corki, 80 cs,
Vayne was 19 cs at the time.
Yes, Locodoco > solo queue player, but that gap was too big.
liftlift > tsm
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-13 19:10:07
October 13 2013 19:09 GMT
#3732
i bet if she'd been released with the range she was designed with, she wouldn't have gotten nerfed fifty million times. then if there a proposal floating around to increase her range but make all her skills way way worse everyone would be like "wtf is this."

On October 14 2013 04:08 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2013 04:07 UniversalSnip wrote:
citation needed lam

Locodoco on Corki, 80 cs,
Vayne was 19 cs at the time.
Yes, Locodoco > solo queue player, but that gap was too big.


really dude? c'mon.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
October 13 2013 19:10 GMT
#3733
We almost always see 2v1 lanes happening with Vayne pick.
LaM
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States1321 Posts
October 13 2013 19:12 GMT
#3734
On October 14 2013 04:09 UniversalSnip wrote:
i bet if she'd been released with the range she was designed with, she wouldn't have gotten nerfed fifty million times. then if there a proposal floating around to increase her range but make all her skills way way worse everyone would be like "wtf is this."

Show nested quote +
On October 14 2013 04:08 wei2coolman wrote:
On October 14 2013 04:07 UniversalSnip wrote:
citation needed lam

Locodoco on Corki, 80 cs,
Vayne was 19 cs at the time.
Yes, Locodoco > solo queue player, but that gap was too big.


really dude? c'mon.


On October 14 2013 04:07 UniversalSnip wrote:
citation needed lam


Is there really? Get to diamond playing AD, watch a variety of pro games from various scenes and see how often they 2v2 Vayne against Corki/Cait/anything without Zyra or jungler camp at the very least, read anything pro players say about Vayne.

This isn't a disputed fact at all, besides by you and perhaps other players without a lot of bot lane game knowledge. Vayne either 2v1s or loses incredibly hard.
Anything is Possible
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
October 13 2013 19:15 GMT
#3735
Vayne could use a nerf to laning or overall damage I think.Corki not that hard lane dunno what is everyone smoking.Cait/trist and mayyyybe jinx(depending on supports) can be hard.
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
October 13 2013 19:16 GMT
#3736
Dunno if this has been mentioned yet, but Quas isn't listed as the toplaner for ggLA in the NESL Premier League Finals.

d.Quas?

or

Crs.Quas?
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
October 13 2013 19:17 GMT
#3737
That would suck if it happens. Promising team plundered before getting their feet off the ground.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
October 13 2013 19:19 GMT
#3738
On October 14 2013 04:04 LaM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2013 03:59 AsnSensation wrote:
On October 14 2013 03:48 UniversalSnip wrote:
On October 14 2013 03:34 AsnSensation wrote:
On October 14 2013 03:29 wei2coolman wrote:
All this Sivir talk, qtpie just said "anyone see Sivir changes? did Riot just nerf the shit out of her?" (he said it as if he's pretty sure Riot just made Sivir even more unplayable)
On October 14 2013 03:27 Numy wrote:
Lol Quaility managing going on from curse.

https://twitter.com/imPobelter/status/389451051587219457

No more throwbelter


Just saw a post from Morello where he agrees that vayne's ranged should be lowered to 525, that man is a genius.

Wait, you disagree with this? Obviously she'd need to be buffed in other ways but playing her you can feel that her entire skillset is designed around slightly lower range than she has now, I think improving her skills and decreasing her AAs to 525 would be a great change.


Yes I disagree with this because it would be absolutely impossible to lane vs Cait, Corki, Varus, Ashe or any other AD that's not sivir, heck even Ezreal would probably stomp on her again. I think Graves is pretty bad but at least his burst and smokescreen utility is a decent tradeoff. In today's meta of shit like Vi, Jarvan, Jax and countless 100-0 assassins I don't think any AD should have less than 550.

But I'm also biased cause I play ad & mid.


I agree. 550 feels like the minimum. The only ADs with less are Graves, Quinn, and Sivir, who despite kits full of burst and steroids are never played and stomped when they are. At least the other 3 have abilities to trade with that are longer than their range, Vayne has absolutely nothing to lane with if she had 525 range. You would have to try and 2v1 every game.

Wow. I remember now when Graves was getting his string of nerfs. This one slipped by me.

General:
Attack range reduced to 525 from 550.

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Graves/Background
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Amethyst21
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada7032 Posts
October 13 2013 19:20 GMT
#3739
On October 14 2013 04:17 Numy wrote:
That would suck if it happens. Promising team plundered before getting their feet off the ground.


quas to dignitas, Bischu to Curse

problem solved.
/On the C9 Hype Train/@DatFirefly
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
October 13 2013 19:24 GMT
#3740
It's the players themselves more than anything. No one seems to understand that to improve as a team actually requires a bit of patience. I'm pretty sure atlanta has been on over 20 teams already while the old picture of a goose is now Vulcan. I think otter has maybe been a bit unlucky but his team count is getting up there. He even had meteos jungling at one point. I really dislike people who jump ship at first sight.
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