[Patch 3.12] (j/k) Jinx General Discussion - Page 186

On October 14 2013 03:10 UniversalSnip wrote:
does anyone know if there's in-lore justification for there being so many terrible summoners.

On October 14 2013 02:40 Alaric wrote:
Na, one of them (Statikk iirc) said that he liked the idea of CDR Sivir being doable, which is different from the team working on her setting up CDR as the intended "standard/core" build on Sivir.
I mean, it's like Lucian: sure he'd work super well with CDR, but there isn't any itemisation for it, and they didn't butcher his straight-up dps for it.

Sivir having the worst AS of every marksman (pre-6, and barring Jinx's Fishbones case which makes up for it with extra range, damage and splash) and a pretty poor auto animation also probably makes her laning even worse versus any lane with ranged harass to drop on her. Since her only way of extending her range is her Q which isn't great for farming (and puts her oom after 3 uses) I don't quite see this iteration playing decently from behind.
Add to that that for some reason Riot seem particularly attached to their claim that Sivir has amongst her unique niches being a pusher, despite all the champions doing better (either because they nuke just as well as her, or not quite as well but with good enough range to be able to freely auto to finish the job, or because they can somewhat keep up with her and then totally overtake her once she runs herself oom), and I'm pretty skeptic about her laning as long as you don't plan on trading with her away from your creep wave.

It boggles my mind that they still claim that, and since they don't seem to have any incentive to lie about it then they probably genuinely believes it, which boggles my mind even more.
I mean, I understand how the current kit can be tweaked with numbers and stuff to give her decent single-target dps while dishing out some AoE as well, but the current iteration is full of holes that simple math can point out and they were still pretty sure of their stuff when they put her out on PBE.

By making the Ricochet Attack Speed bonus important to her power, this increases the viability of Cooldown Reduction as a good stat on Sivir. CDR Sivir is a super fun build that I would love to see as an effective alternative to the generic marksmen builds that we traditionally see.

On October 14 2013 03:27 Numy wrote:
Lol Quaility managing going on from curse.

https://twitter.com/imPobelter/status/389451051587219457

On October 14 2013 03:32 Numy wrote:
Makes you wonder if Liquid even bothered talking to the team or Probelter before putting the team together. The sivir changes are just a straight nerf as is but that's what the discussion is about. If the numbers are tweaked will she be alright and with new itemization.

On October 14 2013 03:29 wei2coolman wrote:
All this Sivir talk, qtpie just said "anyone see Sivir changes? did Riot just nerf the shit out of her?" (he said it as if he's pretty sure Riot just made Sivir even more unplayable)

No more throwbelter

On October 14 2013 03:34 AsnSensation wrote:


Just saw a post from Morello where he agrees that vayne's ranged should be lowered to 525, that man is a genius.

On October 14 2013 03:35 zulu_nation8 wrote:
lol gg to crs academy, and yes this obviously shows liquid thought this through

On October 14 2013 03:33 wei2coolman wrote:

I don't think Liquid is that incompetent. I'm guessin he at least asked "school won't get in the way, right?" pobeleter probably said "it won't". then real life kicks in, and school ends up being too much.

On October 14 2013 03:39 Numy wrote:


The team was announced 5 days ago. Unless you guys are doing exams now or something real life doesn't change that much from "hey you guys are now team" to "oh you can't play enough bye". This just reeks of incompetence. Isn't this also the same reason he left Crs A last time?

On October 14 2013 03:34 AsnSensation wrote:


Just saw a post from Morello where he agrees that vayne's ranged should be lowered to 525, that man is a genius.

On October 14 2013 03:48 UniversalSnip wrote:

Wait, you disagree with this? Obviously she'd need to be buffed in other ways but playing her you can feel that her entire skillset is designed around slightly lower range than she has now, I think improving her skills and decreasing her AAs to 525 would be a great change.

On October 14 2013 03:50 wei2coolman wrote:

She would be unplayable, range changes completely wrecks champions.
Kennen and Ryze...

On October 14 2013 03:51 UniversalSnip wrote:

kennen and ryze didn't get shit for compensation. I'm not saying it would be easy but it makes sense, all her skills are built around dodging around on the edge of her spacing range.