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GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
October 13 2013 18:11 GMT
#3701
On October 14 2013 03:10 UniversalSnip wrote:
does anyone know if there's in-lore justification for there being so many terrible summoners.

I think the skill with the champion is equal to the "connection the summoner has with the summoned champion." So people with weaker connection links are just practicing to get theirs up, but they don't host the professional matches.

#FreetheRiotLoreTeam
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 13 2013 18:13 GMT
#3702
maybe summoner school is really expensive and only spoiled rich kids can get in there, so they all suck while thinking they're really good.

sounds legit to me.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-13 19:26:12
October 13 2013 18:19 GMT
#3703
On October 14 2013 02:40 Alaric wrote:
Na, one of them (Statikk iirc) said that he liked the idea of CDR Sivir being doable, which is different from the team working on her setting up CDR as the intended "standard/core" build on Sivir.
I mean, it's like Lucian: sure he'd work super well with CDR, but there isn't any itemisation for it, and they didn't butcher his straight-up dps for it.

Sivir having the worst AS of every marksman (pre-6, and barring Jinx's Fishbones case which makes up for it with extra range, damage and splash) and a pretty poor auto animation also probably makes her laning even worse versus any lane with ranged harass to drop on her. Since her only way of extending her range is her Q which isn't great for farming (and puts her oom after 3 uses) I don't quite see this iteration playing decently from behind.
Add to that that for some reason Riot seem particularly attached to their claim that Sivir has amongst her unique niches being a pusher, despite all the champions doing better (either because they nuke just as well as her, or not quite as well but with good enough range to be able to freely auto to finish the job, or because they can somewhat keep up with her and then totally overtake her once she runs herself oom), and I'm pretty skeptic about her laning as long as you don't plan on trading with her away from your creep wave.

It boggles my mind that they still claim that, and since they don't seem to have any incentive to lie about it then they probably genuinely believes it, which boggles my mind even more.
I mean, I understand how the current kit can be tweaked with numbers and stuff to give her decent single-target dps while dishing out some AoE as well, but the current iteration is full of holes that simple math can point out and they were still pretty sure of their stuff when they put her out on PBE.


The exact CDR quote is:

By making the Ricochet Attack Speed bonus important to her power, this increases the viability of Cooldown Reduction as a good stat on Sivir. CDR Sivir is a super fun build that I would love to see as an effective alternative to the generic marksmen builds that we traditionally see.


I'd assert that the wording here implies they're looking for more than "doable", but Blue Ez levels of viability. The inherent problem being CDR itemization is wonky for ADs. But with Season 4 right around the corner who knows, we may finally see a 20% CDR item for ADs.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
October 13 2013 18:27 GMT
#3704
[quote] needs to be in caps
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
October 13 2013 18:27 GMT
#3705
Lol Quaility managing going on from curse.

wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-13 18:30:44
October 13 2013 18:29 GMT
#3706
All this Sivir talk, qtpie just said "anyone see Sivir changes? did Riot just nerf the shit out of her?" (he said it as if he's pretty sure Riot just made Sivir even more unplayable)
On October 14 2013 03:27 Numy wrote:
Lol Quaility managing going on from curse.

https://twitter.com/imPobelter/status/389451051587219457

No more throwbelter
liftlift > tsm
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
October 13 2013 18:32 GMT
#3707
Makes you wonder if Liquid even bothered talking to the team or Probelter before putting the team together. The sivir changes are just a straight nerf as is but that's what the discussion is about. If the numbers are tweaked will she be alright and with new itemization.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 13 2013 18:33 GMT
#3708
On October 14 2013 03:32 Numy wrote:
Makes you wonder if Liquid even bothered talking to the team or Probelter before putting the team together. The sivir changes are just a straight nerf as is but that's what the discussion is about. If the numbers are tweaked will she be alright and with new itemization.

I don't think Liquid is that incompetent. I'm guessin he at least asked "school won't get in the way, right?" pobeleter probably said "it won't". then real life kicks in, and school ends up being too much.
liftlift > tsm
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
October 13 2013 18:34 GMT
#3709
On October 14 2013 03:29 wei2coolman wrote:
All this Sivir talk, qtpie just said "anyone see Sivir changes? did Riot just nerf the shit out of her?" (he said it as if he's pretty sure Riot just made Sivir even more unplayable)
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2013 03:27 Numy wrote:
Lol Quaility managing going on from curse.

https://twitter.com/imPobelter/status/389451051587219457

No more throwbelter


Just saw a post from Morello where he agrees that vayne's ranged should be lowered to 525, that man is a genius.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
October 13 2013 18:35 GMT
#3710
lol gg to crs academy, and yes this obviously shows liquid thought this through
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-13 18:37:01
October 13 2013 18:36 GMT
#3711
On October 14 2013 03:34 AsnSensation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2013 03:29 wei2coolman wrote:
All this Sivir talk, qtpie just said "anyone see Sivir changes? did Riot just nerf the shit out of her?" (he said it as if he's pretty sure Riot just made Sivir even more unplayable)
On October 14 2013 03:27 Numy wrote:
Lol Quaility managing going on from curse.

https://twitter.com/imPobelter/status/389451051587219457

No more throwbelter


Just saw a post from Morello where he agrees that vayne's ranged should be lowered to 525, that man is a genius.

I'm okay with this, fuck Vayne. Stupid Shaco effect. Every single Vayne I get is complete shit, every enemy Vayne is doublelift.
On October 14 2013 03:35 zulu_nation8 wrote:
lol gg to crs academy, and yes this obviously shows liquid thought this through

throwbelter was on the main Curse squad, not academy.
liftlift > tsm
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
October 13 2013 18:36 GMT
#3712
NO LIQUID

STAHP Y
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-13 18:40:00
October 13 2013 18:39 GMT
#3713
On October 14 2013 03:33 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2013 03:32 Numy wrote:
Makes you wonder if Liquid even bothered talking to the team or Probelter before putting the team together. The sivir changes are just a straight nerf as is but that's what the discussion is about. If the numbers are tweaked will she be alright and with new itemization.

I don't think Liquid is that incompetent. I'm guessin he at least asked "school won't get in the way, right?" pobeleter probably said "it won't". then real life kicks in, and school ends up being too much.


The team was announced 5 days ago. Unless you guys are doing exams now or something real life doesn't change that much from "hey you guys are now team" to "oh you can't play enough bye". This just reeks of incompetence. Isn't this also the same reason he left Crs A last time?
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
October 13 2013 18:41 GMT
#3714
I'm pissed. In my eyes Pobelter was the saving grace of the new lineup, without him I can't really justify the changes. Curse is making it hard to stay a fan...
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-13 18:47:43
October 13 2013 18:42 GMT
#3715
On October 14 2013 03:39 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2013 03:33 wei2coolman wrote:
On October 14 2013 03:32 Numy wrote:
Makes you wonder if Liquid even bothered talking to the team or Probelter before putting the team together. The sivir changes are just a straight nerf as is but that's what the discussion is about. If the numbers are tweaked will she be alright and with new itemization.

I don't think Liquid is that incompetent. I'm guessin he at least asked "school won't get in the way, right?" pobeleter probably said "it won't". then real life kicks in, and school ends up being too much.


The team was announced 5 days ago. Unless you guys are doing exams now or something real life doesn't change that much from "hey you guys are now team" to "oh you can't play enough bye". This just reeks of incompetence. Isn't this also the same reason he left Crs A last time?

I'm sure the team has been together a lot longer than 5 days, straw, camel, back, etc.
Also, no one left on main Curse squad that I like :/
Hopefully Zekent gets midlane? and they replace with new support?
liftlift > tsm
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
October 13 2013 18:48 GMT
#3716
On October 14 2013 03:34 AsnSensation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2013 03:29 wei2coolman wrote:
All this Sivir talk, qtpie just said "anyone see Sivir changes? did Riot just nerf the shit out of her?" (he said it as if he's pretty sure Riot just made Sivir even more unplayable)
On October 14 2013 03:27 Numy wrote:
Lol Quaility managing going on from curse.

https://twitter.com/imPobelter/status/389451051587219457

No more throwbelter


Just saw a post from Morello where he agrees that vayne's ranged should be lowered to 525, that man is a genius.

Wait, you disagree with this? Obviously she'd need to be buffed in other ways but playing her you can feel that her entire skillset is designed around slightly lower range than she has now, I think improving her skills and decreasing her AAs to 525 would be a great change.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 13 2013 18:50 GMT
#3717
On October 14 2013 03:48 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2013 03:34 AsnSensation wrote:
On October 14 2013 03:29 wei2coolman wrote:
All this Sivir talk, qtpie just said "anyone see Sivir changes? did Riot just nerf the shit out of her?" (he said it as if he's pretty sure Riot just made Sivir even more unplayable)
On October 14 2013 03:27 Numy wrote:
Lol Quaility managing going on from curse.

https://twitter.com/imPobelter/status/389451051587219457

No more throwbelter


Just saw a post from Morello where he agrees that vayne's ranged should be lowered to 525, that man is a genius.

Wait, you disagree with this? Obviously she'd need to be buffed in other ways but playing her you can feel that her entire skillset is designed around slightly lower range than she has now, I think improving her skills and decreasing her AAs to 525 would be a great change.

She would be unplayable, range changes completely wrecks champions.
Kennen and Ryze...
liftlift > tsm
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-13 18:53:01
October 13 2013 18:51 GMT
#3718
On October 14 2013 03:50 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2013 03:48 UniversalSnip wrote:
On October 14 2013 03:34 AsnSensation wrote:
On October 14 2013 03:29 wei2coolman wrote:
All this Sivir talk, qtpie just said "anyone see Sivir changes? did Riot just nerf the shit out of her?" (he said it as if he's pretty sure Riot just made Sivir even more unplayable)
On October 14 2013 03:27 Numy wrote:
Lol Quaility managing going on from curse.

https://twitter.com/imPobelter/status/389451051587219457

No more throwbelter


Just saw a post from Morello where he agrees that vayne's ranged should be lowered to 525, that man is a genius.

Wait, you disagree with this? Obviously she'd need to be buffed in other ways but playing her you can feel that her entire skillset is designed around slightly lower range than she has now, I think improving her skills and decreasing her AAs to 525 would be a great change.

She would be unplayable, range changes completely wrecks champions.
Kennen and Ryze...

kennen and ryze didn't get shit for compensation. I'm not saying it would be easy but it makes sense, all her skills are built around dodging around on the edge of her spacing range.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
LaM
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States1321 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-13 18:52:45
October 13 2013 18:52 GMT
#3719
Lmao. Pobelter was the only real talent they picked up to go with Voyboy. Wth those two on the solo lanes they had a chance to win games through the pure pressure/talent that their solos exerted. Without Pobelter the new lineup is gonna be... lol.

I don't see how they could pick up and release him within one week because of school (something they obviously knew he was doing). Idk. Confusing. Sounds like other players were upset with his schedule, wonder who that was (ZEKENT).
Anything is Possible
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 13 2013 18:54 GMT
#3720
On October 14 2013 03:51 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2013 03:50 wei2coolman wrote:
On October 14 2013 03:48 UniversalSnip wrote:
On October 14 2013 03:34 AsnSensation wrote:
On October 14 2013 03:29 wei2coolman wrote:
All this Sivir talk, qtpie just said "anyone see Sivir changes? did Riot just nerf the shit out of her?" (he said it as if he's pretty sure Riot just made Sivir even more unplayable)
On October 14 2013 03:27 Numy wrote:
Lol Quaility managing going on from curse.

https://twitter.com/imPobelter/status/389451051587219457

No more throwbelter


Just saw a post from Morello where he agrees that vayne's ranged should be lowered to 525, that man is a genius.

Wait, you disagree with this? Obviously she'd need to be buffed in other ways but playing her you can feel that her entire skillset is designed around slightly lower range than she has now, I think improving her skills and decreasing her AAs to 525 would be a great change.

She would be unplayable, range changes completely wrecks champions.
Kennen and Ryze...

kennen and ryze didn't get shit for compensation. I'm not saying it would be easy but it makes sense, all her skills are built around dodging around on the edge of her spacing range.

The problem isn't teamfights, its laning phase, her laning phase already super painful, 25 range would absolutely wreck that.
liftlift > tsm
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