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Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
October 10 2013 22:59 GMT
#2901
These are massive heimerdinger nerfs too. They clearly didn't listen to user feedback on the joy of playing heimerdinger: being able to AFK after 2 mins in a dominion game, make dinner, and collect first win without any user input.
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 10 2013 23:00 GMT
#2902
On October 11 2013 07:49 Swords wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2013 07:45 thenexusp wrote:
There are also the PBE dataminers:

http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/25954-unofficial-pbe-changes-for-10-10-13-xerath-and

Take everything on there with a grain of salt, some of the things don't even make sense (AD ratio on cooldown duration wut).
It seems they are making another, larger pass at champions with ult costs above 100 mana and flattening them to 100 mana, including SORAKA getting her ult buff from 250 mana -> 100 mana at max rank.

The %health creep continues with Morgana's tormented soil. Zigg's ult is now way better at stealing dragons and baron.

And, for a nice move, they are fixing up the wording of a bunch of skills.


Oh snap. Viktor's ult might get the Cassiopia treatment.

Viktor actually has real mana costs and management going in, so it's not rare to end up oom when you try to ult after having to deal with somebody's roaming and a fight erupts in river or a sidelane. Dropping it to 100 may be way too low though, something like 150 would make it manageable without making it inconsequential.

Does Ziggs' minefield change have gameplay effects, or it is only wording?

Also HOLY FUCK THAT KINDLEGEM NERF WHAT.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 10 2013 23:00 GMT
#2903
On October 11 2013 07:25 Haiq343 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2013 07:20 Amarok wrote:
Wait, the consensus is that Karma is bad again? I've been streamrolling with her.

I have a hard time envisioning why I would want Midkarma (or any utility mage), particularly when her kit is very comparable to and except for the ulted-shield inferior to Lux.
E: It's worth mentioning that I still play her when the opportunity arises because it's fun, but that's not a matter of champion strength.

4 protect 1 comps. Would be strong if adc gets buffed hard.
liftlift > tsm
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
October 10 2013 23:00 GMT
#2904
LOL WTF.....?

+100 Ability Power

UNIQUE Passive - Spell Piercing: Magic damage ignores 50% of the target's Magic Resist (applies before Magic Penetration).
UNIQUE Passive - Supremacy: Xerath can now reach level 20.
UNIQUE Active - Mana Pulse: Releases a mana pulse that senses any nearby enemies (30 second cooldown).
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
October 10 2013 23:01 GMT
#2905
On October 11 2013 07:53 overt wrote:
So if you land charm do you do the same amount of damage as pre-nerf? Or do you deal even less?


Assuming an E-> QWRRR combo:

Before: 1235 + 2.85 * AP
After: 1260 + 2.733 * AP

Keep in mind that half of Q's damage is True Damage, and thus is not affected. I'm also assuming Charm does not increase its own damage, which may be incorrect.

Basically at 200+ AP you'll do less damage. DFG might swing this slightly back toward the new implementation, but overall I think it's a nerf given that her AoE potential has gone way done and you must land a charm and all these abilities within four seconds to be competitive.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
October 10 2013 23:03 GMT
#2906
Bye bye Ahri.
Rijot
Profile Joined July 2013
137 Posts
October 10 2013 23:06 GMT
#2907
nerf brushoverlay.jpg.swatch, rito pls. It's perma-cc'ing me, can't patch the pbe because of it.
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
October 10 2013 23:08 GMT
#2908
On October 11 2013 08:00 WaveofShadow wrote:
LOL WTF.....?

+100 Ability Power

UNIQUE Passive - Spell Piercing: Magic damage ignores 50% of the target's Magic Resist (applies before Magic Penetration).
UNIQUE Passive - Supremacy: Xerath can now reach level 20.
UNIQUE Active - Mana Pulse: Releases a mana pulse that senses any nearby enemies (30 second cooldown).

Probably a joke to troll data miners.

Its on an item so the item could just not get actually coded in.
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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
October 10 2013 23:08 GMT
#2909
On October 11 2013 08:06 Rijot wrote:
nerf brushoverlay.jpg.swatch, rito pls. It's perma-cc'ing me, can't patch the pbe because of it.


This is apparently happening to a lot of people, possibly everyone. I'm stuck at the same spot, and there are multiple threads in the PBE forum filled with posters seeking a solution.

I've tried the usual methods (deleting patch files, the launcher, repairing etc.) and am currently doing a full PBE reinstall, but I doubt it will work.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Amarok
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia2003 Posts
October 10 2013 23:09 GMT
#2910
On October 11 2013 07:57 WaveofShadow wrote:
Real heavy-handed Ahri nerfs.

If there was any doubt to Riot taking the Blizzard (WoW) route to nerfs/buffs, this should dispel all of it.


My experience is that everyone has their moment of clarity at a different time. Mine was the Olaf nuking, I have a friend who had it with Jayce. I know people that are still in denial as well.
Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
October 10 2013 23:13 GMT
#2911
Changing ahri when she's the weakest of the assassins. Perhaps they haven't figured out what they want to do with the rest.
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
October 10 2013 23:17 GMT
#2912
Blackfire Torch apparently got 10% mspd for free on PBE? Also Kindlegem nerf(475g recipe now).
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 10 2013 23:19 GMT
#2913
lol Ahri nerfs. Riot reactionary nerfs at its best.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
October 10 2013 23:19 GMT
#2914
On October 11 2013 08:00 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2013 07:49 Swords wrote:
On October 11 2013 07:45 thenexusp wrote:
There are also the PBE dataminers:

http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/25954-unofficial-pbe-changes-for-10-10-13-xerath-and

Take everything on there with a grain of salt, some of the things don't even make sense (AD ratio on cooldown duration wut).
It seems they are making another, larger pass at champions with ult costs above 100 mana and flattening them to 100 mana, including SORAKA getting her ult buff from 250 mana -> 100 mana at max rank.

The %health creep continues with Morgana's tormented soil. Zigg's ult is now way better at stealing dragons and baron.

And, for a nice move, they are fixing up the wording of a bunch of skills.


Oh snap. Viktor's ult might get the Cassiopia treatment.

Viktor actually has real mana costs and management going in, so it's not rare to end up oom when you try to ult after having to deal with somebody's roaming and a fight erupts in river or a sidelane. Dropping it to 100 may be way too low though, something like 150 would make it manageable without making it inconsequential.

Does Ziggs' minefield change have gameplay effects, or it is only wording?

Also HOLY FUCK THAT KINDLEGEM NERF WHAT.


Yea, as someone who really enjoys playing Viktor I'm excited - I agree 100 might be a little too low, but I'm not going to complain.
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-10 23:24:26
October 10 2013 23:24 GMT
#2915
i bet Riot has good balance guys, but the wrong people have seniority.

my favourite this year still was the triforce.
completely change it like 2 weeks before the big tournament, what could go wrong, the balance lead said its ok!
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
October 10 2013 23:25 GMT
#2916
On October 11 2013 08:19 Swords wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2013 08:00 Alaric wrote:
On October 11 2013 07:49 Swords wrote:
On October 11 2013 07:45 thenexusp wrote:
There are also the PBE dataminers:

http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/25954-unofficial-pbe-changes-for-10-10-13-xerath-and

Take everything on there with a grain of salt, some of the things don't even make sense (AD ratio on cooldown duration wut).
It seems they are making another, larger pass at champions with ult costs above 100 mana and flattening them to 100 mana, including SORAKA getting her ult buff from 250 mana -> 100 mana at max rank.

The %health creep continues with Morgana's tormented soil. Zigg's ult is now way better at stealing dragons and baron.

And, for a nice move, they are fixing up the wording of a bunch of skills.


Oh snap. Viktor's ult might get the Cassiopia treatment.

Viktor actually has real mana costs and management going in, so it's not rare to end up oom when you try to ult after having to deal with somebody's roaming and a fight erupts in river or a sidelane. Dropping it to 100 may be way too low though, something like 150 would make it manageable without making it inconsequential.

Does Ziggs' minefield change have gameplay effects, or it is only wording?

Also HOLY FUCK THAT KINDLEGEM NERF WHAT.


Yea, as someone who really enjoys playing Viktor I'm excited - I agree 100 might be a little too low, but I'm not going to complain.

It's not exactly what holds Viktor back these days though.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
October 10 2013 23:26 GMT
#2917
im just going to take it out on ranked scrubs and play more trynd
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 10 2013 23:28 GMT
#2918
On October 11 2013 08:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2013 08:19 Swords wrote:
On October 11 2013 08:00 Alaric wrote:
On October 11 2013 07:49 Swords wrote:
On October 11 2013 07:45 thenexusp wrote:
There are also the PBE dataminers:

http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/25954-unofficial-pbe-changes-for-10-10-13-xerath-and

Take everything on there with a grain of salt, some of the things don't even make sense (AD ratio on cooldown duration wut).
It seems they are making another, larger pass at champions with ult costs above 100 mana and flattening them to 100 mana, including SORAKA getting her ult buff from 250 mana -> 100 mana at max rank.

The %health creep continues with Morgana's tormented soil. Zigg's ult is now way better at stealing dragons and baron.

And, for a nice move, they are fixing up the wording of a bunch of skills.


Oh snap. Viktor's ult might get the Cassiopia treatment.

Viktor actually has real mana costs and management going in, so it's not rare to end up oom when you try to ult after having to deal with somebody's roaming and a fight erupts in river or a sidelane. Dropping it to 100 may be way too low though, something like 150 would make it manageable without making it inconsequential.

Does Ziggs' minefield change have gameplay effects, or it is only wording?

Also HOLY FUCK THAT KINDLEGEM NERF WHAT.


Yea, as someone who really enjoys playing Viktor I'm excited - I agree 100 might be a little too low, but I'm not going to complain.

It's not exactly what holds Viktor back these days though.

No, but it helps. Plus, Viktor problems don't lie in numbers anyway, 'cept if you include range, and even then.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 10 2013 23:29 GMT
#2919
Ahri nerfs. Zed still the same.
liftlift > tsm
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
October 10 2013 23:30 GMT
#2920
"Xerath can now reach level 20" is the funniest thing I've ever read in a LoL patch. 99.9999% it never fucking happens, but still hilarious to think about.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
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