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On October 10 2013 23:11 sylverfyre wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 23:03 Ketara wrote:
So I woke up today and saw a Riot post saying they plan on increasing Ahri's burst.
I want to go back to bed now. It's ok, theyre going to nerf her numbers across the board except increasing the base damage on charm and claim that's "increasing her burst when she lands charm"
Because Charm isn't already a dumb ability. Let's give it more damage! You know what, let's put some extra damage on Rocket Grab as well, and make Terrify increase damage sources too!
Wasn't there just a red post saying that CC abilities shouldn't do that much damage? The illogicalnes is staggering.
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On October 10 2013 23:11 sylverfyre wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 23:03 Ketara wrote:
So I woke up today and saw a Riot post saying they plan on increasing Ahri's burst.
I want to go back to bed now. It's ok, theyre going to nerf her numbers across the board except increasing the base damage on charm and claim that's "increasing her burst when she lands charm" Honestly i'm pretty sure the burst ridiculousness is more caused by DFG than anything else.
Part of it is her insane mobility, making it hard to counterplay her.
Also, DFG, in conjunction with the way her W and R work is just tons of free damage. More damage should be on her skillshots, imo because abilities that don't even require you to click on your target are just stupid.
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600K, I'm missing a ton of champs still too what.
I think its kind of silly that after you get one or two items Jinx can clear casters in 2 shots and melees in 3.
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Can someone give the current standings of the voting for IEM?
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On October 10 2013 23:16 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 23:11 sylverfyre wrote:On October 10 2013 23:03 Ketara wrote:
So I woke up today and saw a Riot post saying they plan on increasing Ahri's burst.
I want to go back to bed now. It's ok, theyre going to nerf her numbers across the board except increasing the base damage on charm and claim that's "increasing her burst when she lands charm" Honestly i'm pretty sure the burst ridiculousness is more caused by DFG than anything else. Part of it is her insane mobility, making it hard to counterplay her. Also, DFG, in conjunction with the way her W and R work is just tons of free damage. More damage should be on her skillshots, imo because abilities that don't even require you to click on your target are just stupid.
I'm worried about that, because if you put much more damage on her Q, then her waveclear will quickly reach Zed levels. Foxfire does sometimes require finesse with the way it prioritizes, but since the first hit is so much more damage than the other 2 fox fires, it often doesn't matter. Instead of having diminishing returns on the 3 hits, it should do the same damage with each hit, but the total damage when all 3 hits remain (roughly) the same. That way, when you activate it at a bad spot (you haven't really isolated your target very well) you don't really get the full effect of the skill anymore.
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On October 10 2013 23:16 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 23:11 sylverfyre wrote:On October 10 2013 23:03 Ketara wrote:
So I woke up today and saw a Riot post saying they plan on increasing Ahri's burst.
I want to go back to bed now. It's ok, theyre going to nerf her numbers across the board except increasing the base damage on charm and claim that's "increasing her burst when she lands charm" Honestly i'm pretty sure the burst ridiculousness is more caused by DFG than anything else. Part of it is her insane mobility, making it hard to counterplay her. Also, DFG, in conjunction with the way her W and R work is just tons of free damage. More damage should be on her skillshots, imo because abilities that don't even require you to click on your target are just stupid.
Worst thing is how her W and ult count as single-target spells. Well, it's not necessarily a bad idea/thing in itself, however with the mobility and cc she already gets, having her amount of sustain (thanks to the passive) and the potential utility from a rylai on top of that tends to make it quite a lot.
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On October 10 2013 23:47 Alaric wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 23:16 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 10 2013 23:11 sylverfyre wrote:On October 10 2013 23:03 Ketara wrote:
So I woke up today and saw a Riot post saying they plan on increasing Ahri's burst.
I want to go back to bed now. It's ok, theyre going to nerf her numbers across the board except increasing the base damage on charm and claim that's "increasing her burst when she lands charm" Honestly i'm pretty sure the burst ridiculousness is more caused by DFG than anything else. Part of it is her insane mobility, making it hard to counterplay her. Also, DFG, in conjunction with the way her W and R work is just tons of free damage. More damage should be on her skillshots, imo because abilities that don't even require you to click on your target are just stupid. Worst thing is how her W and ult count as single-target spells. Well, it's not necessarily a bad idea/thing in itself, however with the mobility and cc she already gets, having her amount of sustain (thanks to the passive) and the potential utility from a rylai on top of that tends to make it quite a lot.
Her ult doesn't count as a single target spell. Also there is a grand rule that all champs with innate spell vamp of any kind must have at least one single-target spell (although her charm already counts, huh)
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On October 10 2013 23:45 sylverfyre wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 23:16 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 10 2013 23:11 sylverfyre wrote:On October 10 2013 23:03 Ketara wrote:
So I woke up today and saw a Riot post saying they plan on increasing Ahri's burst.
I want to go back to bed now. It's ok, theyre going to nerf her numbers across the board except increasing the base damage on charm and claim that's "increasing her burst when she lands charm" Honestly i'm pretty sure the burst ridiculousness is more caused by DFG than anything else. Part of it is her insane mobility, making it hard to counterplay her. Also, DFG, in conjunction with the way her W and R work is just tons of free damage. More damage should be on her skillshots, imo because abilities that don't even require you to click on your target are just stupid. I'm worried about that, because if you put much more damage on her Q, then her waveclear will quickly reach Zed levels. Foxfire does sometimes require finesse with the way it prioritizes, but since the first hit is so much more damage than the other 2 fox fires, it often doesn't matter. Instead of having diminishing returns on the 3 hits, it should do the same damage with each hit, but the total damage when all 3 hits remain (roughly) the same. That way, when you activate it at a bad spot (you haven't really isolated your target very well) you don't really get the full effect of the skill anymore.
That's a fair point. Maybe limiting the damage it does to minions like they've done for many other champs.
I mean, I just hate her. She has way too much mobility and sustain for how much damage she pumps out. Sure, her W and R can require finesse, but you don't have to target anything. You just fly around destroying people. Even if you beat her in lane, she just goes elsewhere and can pick people off with charm.
And I think charm is a great ability. It's flavorful, it works. But with everything else she has, her kit is just bonkers (which should be evident, seeing how strong she is after nerfs a long time ago - although part of that is power shifts in mid lane).
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On October 10 2013 23:13 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 23:11 sylverfyre wrote:On October 10 2013 23:03 Ketara wrote:
So I woke up today and saw a Riot post saying they plan on increasing Ahri's burst.
I want to go back to bed now. It's ok, theyre going to nerf her numbers across the board except increasing the base damage on charm and claim that's "increasing her burst when she lands charm" Because Charm isn't already a dumb ability. Let's give it more damage! You know what, let's put some extra damage on Rocket Grab as well, and make Terrify increase damage sources too! Wasn't there just a red post saying that CC abilities shouldn't do that much damage? The illogicalnes is staggering.
It's just PR, Riot just comes up with stuff to justify their changes. It doesn't have to make sense.
Realistically, it's all just PR anyway--by and large these balance changes don't make the game more or less balanced, they just shift where it is.
On October 10 2013 23:57 jcarlsoniv wrote:
That's a fair point. Maybe limiting the damage it does to minions like they've done for many other champs.
I mean, I just hate her. She has way too much mobility and sustain for how much damage she pumps out. Sure, her W and R can require finesse, but you don't have to target anything. You just fly around destroying people. Even if you beat her in lane, she just goes elsewhere and can pick people off with charm.
And I think charm is a great ability. It's flavorful, it works. But with everything else she has, her kit is just bonkers (which should be evident, seeing how strong she is after nerfs a long time ago - although part of that is power shifts in mid lane).
I hate to single you out like this soniv, but literally every time a champ is on the chopping block, someone makes a post like that where they feel validated that X champ they don't like playing against is getting a nerf. About how they have too much of X for how much Y they have, and how it's always been obvious to them they were too strong.
It's the same shit every time, and it's always pretty meaningless, because the next champ comes along and everyone starts complaining about that instead.
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On October 10 2013 23:16 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 23:11 sylverfyre wrote:On October 10 2013 23:03 Ketara wrote:
So I woke up today and saw a Riot post saying they plan on increasing Ahri's burst.
I want to go back to bed now. It's ok, theyre going to nerf her numbers across the board except increasing the base damage on charm and claim that's "increasing her burst when she lands charm" Honestly i'm pretty sure the burst ridiculousness is more caused by DFG than anything else. Part of it is her insane mobility, making it hard to counterplay her. Also, DFG, in conjunction with the way her W and R work is just tons of free damage. More damage should be on her skillshots, imo because abilities that don't even require you to click on your target are just stupid.
Exactly, what is extremely frustrating playing against ahri is that if you're a bit squishy she can allin you, miss ALL her skillshots and still kill you. I don't think they will buff ahri after the massive ban/pick rate she had at worlds, that would be ridiculous.
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On October 11 2013 00:10 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 23:13 Requizen wrote:On October 10 2013 23:11 sylverfyre wrote:On October 10 2013 23:03 Ketara wrote:
So I woke up today and saw a Riot post saying they plan on increasing Ahri's burst.
I want to go back to bed now. It's ok, theyre going to nerf her numbers across the board except increasing the base damage on charm and claim that's "increasing her burst when she lands charm" Because Charm isn't already a dumb ability. Let's give it more damage! You know what, let's put some extra damage on Rocket Grab as well, and make Terrify increase damage sources too! Wasn't there just a red post saying that CC abilities shouldn't do that much damage? The illogicalnes is staggering. It's just PR, Riot just comes up with stuff to justify their changes. It doesn't have to make sense. Realistically, it's all just PR anyway--by and large these balance changes don't make the game more or less balanced, they just shift where it is. Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 23:57 jcarlsoniv wrote:
That's a fair point. Maybe limiting the damage it does to minions like they've done for many other champs.
I mean, I just hate her. She has way too much mobility and sustain for how much damage she pumps out. Sure, her W and R can require finesse, but you don't have to target anything. You just fly around destroying people. Even if you beat her in lane, she just goes elsewhere and can pick people off with charm.
And I think charm is a great ability. It's flavorful, it works. But with everything else she has, her kit is just bonkers (which should be evident, seeing how strong she is after nerfs a long time ago - although part of that is power shifts in mid lane). I hate to single you out like this soniv, but literally every time a champ is on the chopping block, someone makes a post like that where they feel validated that X champ they don't like playing against is getting a nerf. About how they have too much of X for how much Y they have, and how it's always been obvious to them they were too strong. It's the same shit every time, and it's always pretty meaningless, because the next champ comes along and everyone starts complaining about that instead.
No need to apologize. Everyone has their least favorite champion matchups. Assassins happen to be at the top of my list because they make my playstyle mid a pain in the ass (also, I suck ass at assassins).
I think Ahri is a great champ flavor wise. They really hit the nail on the head. However, I'm looking forward to seeing her (hopefully) nerfed because I'm sick of playing against her every game.
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not working on KR server GG
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i dont think they should change ahri at all
delete fizz
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On October 10 2013 22:13 AsmodeusXI wrote:
156,141 IP... enough to buy 37% of Champions and no runes.
I have all but around 20ish Champions, 17 or so Rune Pages, and a ton of Runes.
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this game is so free
I have spent EIGHT THOUSAND DOLLARS O.>
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On October 11 2013 00:15 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I'm looking forward to seeing her (hopefully) nerfed because I'm sick of playing against her every game.
I think that's fine. I just don't like how Riot (and everyone else too, really) tries to sell it as balance, because that's not really what it is. The game hasn't become significantly more or less balanced in a very long time. All that happens as a result of these changes is shifts in popular champions and playstyles.
Changes like these are all about changing the game because people find a particular champion or particular playstyles no longer fun to play/play against/watch. We'd get a lot less of this weird pandering like Riot's attempts to justify these changes if people just accepted that rather than trying to make it out to be balancing the game.
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On October 11 2013 00:19 Vegetarian Wolf wrote:
i dont think they should change ahri at all
delete fizz
Even after nerfs I think Jayce is still a dumb champion, he just actually has a mana bar now.
#removeJayce
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On October 11 2013 00:21 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2013 00:19 Vegetarian Wolf wrote:
i dont think they should change ahri at all
delete fizz Even after nerfs I think Jayce is still a dumb champion, he just actually has a mana bar now. #removeJayce
im ok with that too
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Should also remove Vayne and Zed while we're at it.
Lets see, Jayce Vayne Zed Ahri Fizz... Who else?
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On October 11 2013 00:23 Ketara wrote:
Should also remove Vayne and Zed while we're at it.
Lets see, Jayce Vayne Zed Ahri Fizz... Who else?
Lux.
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On October 11 2013 00:23 Ketara wrote:
Should also remove Vayne and Zed while we're at it.
Lets see, Jayce Vayne Zed Ahri Fizz... Who else?
Ziggs. If he ever gets buffed or becomes relevant, I'm gonna quit the game.
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