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AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
September 08 2013 16:15 GMT
#1181
On September 09 2013 01:13 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2013 01:05 AsnSensation wrote:
holy shit that janna on bischu's stream is a fucking god

damn he plays in the same soloQ game as pray, watch and ssumday I'm jealous

Yeah, Bischu's stream rarely disappoints.

Unlike Alaric...


Pray just stole baron from Watch with trueshot barrage... that teamwork worlds preparation...
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
September 08 2013 16:23 GMT
#1182
Dat "wooooo"

...

"I shouldn't have done that, my grandparents are sleeping" *cringe*
Hey! How you doin'?
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
September 08 2013 16:37 GMT
#1183
Just tuned in and he's Diamond 99 pts going last pick with Flame on his team.
IceteaGuy
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany95 Posts
September 08 2013 16:38 GMT
#1184
So to all of you who not only hang around in Summoners Rift but also visit the other places of Valoran:

Is it just me or is Sanguine Blade an incredible good first buy after the changes it received? It's damn cheap and very early attainable on every game mode where it's available and gives such a huge powerspike as long as you can keep up the stacks.
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
September 08 2013 16:41 GMT
#1185
On September 09 2013 01:14 Zdrastochye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2013 01:09 Sponkz wrote:
On September 09 2013 01:03 Zdrastochye wrote:
On September 09 2013 00:51 Sponkz wrote:
Alaric is getting this. You create items that is ONLY useful for a jungler or a support.

Imagine an item that gave you +15 armor, +15 mres and an aura effect "Grants you and nearby allies additional hp5 whenever at least 1 nearby unit is attacking a turret". It wouldn't mean shit for any type of carry or tank to buy this, and if the price is fair (say 1500g total) it will be easily accessible for a support or jungler.


I think making items like that will still be easily punishable by the other team's support not buying those items, and instead buying many wards and oracles, and proceeding to get lots of pick offs. But I guess at least they won't have shurelya's.



The idea is that jungle and support become support #1 and support #2.


Would that REALLY change the "meta" though, or would that just make the game more boring by going back to season 2 junglers who are supports (think Snoopeh donating his whole jungle to Froggen/Wickd) who just gank and buy fewer items? I like the idea of carry junglers, even if they can only exist in situations where people playing them know how to get fed and snowball with relative ease. Things like Master Yi jungle and whatnot.

And they exist because aura items are still such trash outside locket.



Well it also depends on how you wanna play it. Surely you will still be able to play carry junglers, and then have the purpose of "support" play in top lane (someone like Shen).
hi
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
September 08 2013 16:41 GMT
#1186
wow Bischu's soloq game is fucking stacked
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
September 08 2013 16:41 GMT
#1187
Holy shit other team has Ambition, imp, Locodoco, Flahm and beelzehan

GL BISCHU
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-08 16:43:47
September 08 2013 16:42 GMT
#1188
On September 09 2013 01:37 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Just tuned in and he's Diamond 99 pts going last pick with Flame on his team.


look at that lineup...

Jin Air Hoon and Flame on Bischu's team, Imp, Beelzehan, Ambition on the enemy team.

lol didn't even see Loco <3
the storm guys are probably some beast amateurs, as well.
XaCez
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden6991 Posts
September 08 2013 16:43 GMT
#1189
MVP imp, not embracing that Samsung just yet.
People get too easily offended by people getting too easily offended by the word rape.
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-08 16:45:45
September 08 2013 16:45 GMT
#1190
I WISH I WAS GOOD ENOUGH TO PLAY WITH AMBITION AND FLAME

edit: bischu fan-girling hard though
Bronze player stuck in platinum
DragoonTT
Profile Joined April 2012
3398 Posts
September 08 2013 16:45 GMT
#1191
On September 09 2013 01:42 AsnSensation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2013 01:37 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Just tuned in and he's Diamond 99 pts going last pick with Flame on his team.


look at that lineup...

Jin Air Hoon and Flame on Bischu's team, Imp, Beelzehan, Ambition on the enemy team.

lol didn't even see Loco <3
the storm guys are probably some beast amateurs, as well.

Coco played OGN last season and did pretty well, one of Korea's aspiring midlaners.

Never heard of Swift before, though. Maybe a new player, maybe a smurf account, anyone know?
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
September 08 2013 16:49 GMT
#1192
The whole system of wards and oracles is going to get changed in some way. There's no question about this. It's just a matter of what you do with support itemization afterwards.

On September 08 2013 19:59 Zdrastochye wrote:
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On September 08 2013 19:28 UniversalSnip wrote:
Riot's biggest season 3 item mistakes in my opinion, in no particular order:

1) frozen gauntlet. I fucking hate this item, once in a million games you see some silver leaguer buy it on a melee but 99% of the time it does nothing but help a kiting hero wreck melee. It's so obnoxious getting procced on by it, fuck this garbage, what is the item doing, exactly, to make the game better?

2) blade of the ruined king. it's not even particularly broken anymore after it hit the three million nerfs mark last week, but you can tell something is wrong because over the course of one game it usually outcompetes multiple of phantom dancer, bloodthirster, wriggles, wit's end, tiamat, until recently trinity, and more I'm not thinking of, as well as of course various garbage items like rageblade. Of course it's also another amazing kite item when they spent the first two seasons rolling back slows. I can't think of a stat this item doesn't give, I'm surprised it doesn't have protection from homarids.

What I really don't get about this is why they wouldn't just make the niche options better instead of making one crazy generalist item. You actually end up with less net item variety and less choices because this thing exists. I think it was intended to counter health stacking, but they just threw so much shit on it that role got completely subordinated to providing stat value and the total amount of health built varied exactly 0%. The ridiculous numbers on release show how poorly thought out it was, really. If I had to choose between granting my team access to strongest warmogs, strongest black cleaver and innervating locket vs release botrk, we'd be building botrk.

3) support items are terrible. It's a much better situation than last season thanks to sightstone, but still, all of them are upper midrange stuff, and support itemization is so tight due to the budget you can't incorporate random shit items like mana manipulator and expect it not to constrict people's buys. Is manipulator still going to be around in season four? It's an item only a scrub could love, it's so incredibly specific and has such unrealistic, unremarkable use cases.

The worst part is they're all so boring. Where's the cool stuff like a LoL-ized force staff? It would be so easy to make that play pattern fit into lol's design philosophy, instead we get zzzz three minute cooldown cleanses. The wildest effect this season was ohmwrecker and it's unbearably shitty. Who is pushing these ad items to triple their intended cost efficiency but maintains such a careful fucking eye on ohmwrecker?

Sightstone does good work but it's only a bandage that makes solo queue bearable. The whole vast ward issue has not been properly addressed.

4) wriggles, is there still anyone pretending this item is buyable? it's an obsolete design, only partially because of the awkwardness of the fact it presumes you need a vamp scepter to jungle but costs a million gold before it helps you out with that. I still like my idea of giving madreds an on hit life proc vs monsters and then having it upgrade into ghostblade. I guess the whole jungle item thing worked out okay, not as well as I thought it would, but even so can we please take the mana off the spirit stone path and have camps give it to you for killing them? it feels just awful building a spirit stone on a manaless hero even though 9/10 times it's right.


Gauntlet is fine, makes you have to hard engage over just brute forcing your way to victory, and it weakens bruisers who can leave top lane scary enough to 1v5 unless you can kite.

Blade is just a better solution than BT, so why not build it every game on adc? Yes it also works on other champs (see assassins) and is just an all around good item, but definitely not broken (as you state).

Support items should be terrible, and you should feel terrible for building them. 9 times out of 10 you should use the 475g in an oracles and a ward instead of a ruby crystal, and unless you're backing with 2k gold you should fill up on consumables first, items later. A 40 minute game with you having ruby sightstone, kindlegem, upgraded boots (with homeguard), and have had oracles on you since minute 20 is exactly what you want from a support. Vision > any single item for a support.

You complain about wriggles but what about Atma's? What about Ohmwrecker? (not even good on Kassadin) What about Executioner's Calling? Just needed one item to hate on so wriggles fit?


lol, life must be so confusing for you.

"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
September 08 2013 16:51 GMT
#1193
l0l, Loco dies to Flame.

"f u"
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
DragoonTT
Profile Joined April 2012
3398 Posts
September 08 2013 16:54 GMT
#1194
Looks like the game is coming down to Flame vs Ambition, both getting fed a little.
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
September 08 2013 16:55 GMT
#1195
Apparently Flame's shit talking Loco's build on singed
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
September 08 2013 16:56 GMT
#1196
Lol flame snowballing off locodoco's singed
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
September 08 2013 16:58 GMT
#1197
On September 09 2013 01:51 NeoIllusions wrote:
l0l, Loco dies to Flame.

"f u"

I think that was more to Bischu typing "kekeke" in all chat
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
September 08 2013 16:59 GMT
#1198
On September 09 2013 01:54 DragoonTT wrote:
Looks like the game is coming down to Flame vs Ambition, both getting fed a little.

Winner gets benched last from blaze.
Glorious SEA doto
Complete
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1864 Posts
September 08 2013 16:59 GMT
#1199
so do the players have to pay to go to World's (plane ticket)?

do they have to pay for hotel stuff as well? since according to http://eune.lolesports.com/worlds/about it is going to last like 3 weeks O_O
ExoFun
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2041 Posts
September 08 2013 17:01 GMT
#1200
On September 09 2013 01:59 Complete wrote:
so do the players have to pay to go to World's (plane ticket)?

do they have to pay for hotel stuff as well? since according to http://eune.lolesports.com/worlds/about it is going to last like 3 weeks O_O

ofc not.... everything will be handled by Riot.
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