[Patch 3.11] General Discussion - Page 58

On September 08 2013 19:28 UniversalSnip wrote:
Riot's biggest season 3 item mistakes in my opinion, in no particular order:

1) frozen gauntlet. I fucking hate this item, once in a million games you see some silver leaguer buy it on a melee but 99% of the time it does nothing but help a kiting hero wreck melee. It's so obnoxious getting procced on by it, fuck this garbage, what is the item doing, exactly, to make the game better?

2) blade of the ruined king. it's not even particularly broken anymore after it hit the three million nerfs mark last week, but you can tell something is wrong because over the course of one game it usually outcompetes multiple of phantom dancer, bloodthirster, wriggles, wit's end, tiamat, until recently trinity, and more I'm not thinking of, as well as of course various garbage items like rageblade. Of course it's also another amazing kite item when they spent the first two seasons rolling back slows. I can't think of a stat this item doesn't give, I'm surprised it doesn't have protection from homarids.

What I really don't get about this is why they wouldn't just make the niche options better instead of making one crazy generalist item. You actually end up with less net item variety and less choices because this thing exists. I think it was intended to counter health stacking, but they just threw so much shit on it that role got completely subordinated to providing stat value and the total amount of health built varied exactly 0%. The ridiculous numbers on release show how poorly thought out it was, really. If I had to choose between granting my team access to strongest warmogs, strongest black cleaver and innervating locket vs release botrk, we'd be building botrk.

3) support items are terrible. It's a much better situation than last season thanks to sightstone, but still, all of them are upper midrange stuff, and support itemization is so tight due to the budget you can't incorporate random shit items like mana manipulator and expect it not to constrict people's buys. Is manipulator still going to be around in season four? It's an item only a scrub could love, it's so incredibly specific and has such unrealistic, unremarkable use cases.

The worst part is they're all so boring. Where's the cool stuff like a LoL-ized force staff? It would be so easy to make that play pattern fit into lol's design philosophy, instead we get zzzz three minute cooldown cleanses. The wildest effect this season was ohmwrecker and it's unbearably shitty. Who is pushing these ad items to triple their intended cost efficiency but maintains such a careful fucking eye on ohmwrecker?

Sightstone does good work but it's only a bandage that makes solo queue bearable. The whole vast ward issue has not been properly addressed.

4) wriggles, is there still anyone pretending this item is buyable? it's an obsolete design, only partially because of the awkwardness of the fact it presumes you need a vamp scepter to jungle but costs a million gold before it helps you out with that. I still like my idea of giving madreds an on hit life proc vs monsters and then having it upgrade into ghostblade. I guess the whole jungle item thing worked out okay, not as well as I thought it would, but even so can we please take the mana off the spirit stone path and have camps give it to you for killing them? it feels just awful building a spirit stone on a manaless hero even though 9/10 times it's right.

On September 08 2013 19:59 Zdrastochye wrote:


Gauntlet is fine, makes you have to hard engage over just brute forcing your way to victory, and it weakens bruisers who can leave top lane scary enough to 1v5 unless you can kite.

Blade is just a better solution than BT, so why not build it every game on adc? Yes it also works on other champs (see assassins) and is just an all around good item, but definitely not broken (as you state).

Support items should be terrible, and you should feel terrible for building them. 9 times out of 10 you should use the 475g in an oracles and a ward instead of a ruby crystal, and unless you're backing with 2k gold you should fill up on consumables first, items later. A 40 minute game with you having ruby sightstone, kindlegem, upgraded boots (with homeguard), and have had oracles on you since minute 20 is exactly what you want from a support. Vision > any single item for a support.

You complain about wriggles but what about Atma's? What about Ohmwrecker? (not even good on Kassadin) What about Executioner's Calling? Just needed one item to hate on so wriggles fit?

On September 08 2013 16:00 JonGalt wrote:
Dragon champion wooooooooo!

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