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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
September 08 2013 17:01 GMT
#1201
Loco going with the Ring x2, RoA build on Singed. Such an NA build, hue.
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Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
September 08 2013 17:03 GMT
#1202
Times for Worldfinals pretty hard for me to watch. :/

WriterFollow me @TL_Chexx
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
September 08 2013 17:03 GMT
#1203
Flame living up to the name and flaming. Don't let the fangirls/fionn find out :O
Glorious SEA doto
DragoonTT
Profile Joined April 2012
3398 Posts
September 08 2013 17:05 GMT
#1204
On September 09 2013 02:03 Chexx wrote:
Times for Worldfinals pretty hard for me to watch. :/



Are you in Korea or in Europe at the moment? Since as a European, World times are TERRIBLE. Far worse than last year. I can probably catch 2 or 3 games (not matches) when games start at 21:00, but the rest of the games will likely be VoDs only. Hopefully there'll be enough people voting about which matches are useless to watch.
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
September 08 2013 17:06 GMT
#1205
On September 09 2013 01:49 UniversalSnip wrote:
The whole system of wards and oracles is going to get changed in some way. There's no question about this. It's just a matter of what you do with support itemization afterwards.

Show nested quote +
On September 08 2013 19:59 Zdrastochye wrote:
On September 08 2013 19:28 UniversalSnip wrote:
Riot's biggest season 3 item mistakes in my opinion, in no particular order:

1) frozen gauntlet. I fucking hate this item, once in a million games you see some silver leaguer buy it on a melee but 99% of the time it does nothing but help a kiting hero wreck melee. It's so obnoxious getting procced on by it, fuck this garbage, what is the item doing, exactly, to make the game better?

2) blade of the ruined king. it's not even particularly broken anymore after it hit the three million nerfs mark last week, but you can tell something is wrong because over the course of one game it usually outcompetes multiple of phantom dancer, bloodthirster, wriggles, wit's end, tiamat, until recently trinity, and more I'm not thinking of, as well as of course various garbage items like rageblade. Of course it's also another amazing kite item when they spent the first two seasons rolling back slows. I can't think of a stat this item doesn't give, I'm surprised it doesn't have protection from homarids.

What I really don't get about this is why they wouldn't just make the niche options better instead of making one crazy generalist item. You actually end up with less net item variety and less choices because this thing exists. I think it was intended to counter health stacking, but they just threw so much shit on it that role got completely subordinated to providing stat value and the total amount of health built varied exactly 0%. The ridiculous numbers on release show how poorly thought out it was, really. If I had to choose between granting my team access to strongest warmogs, strongest black cleaver and innervating locket vs release botrk, we'd be building botrk.

3) support items are terrible. It's a much better situation than last season thanks to sightstone, but still, all of them are upper midrange stuff, and support itemization is so tight due to the budget you can't incorporate random shit items like mana manipulator and expect it not to constrict people's buys. Is manipulator still going to be around in season four? It's an item only a scrub could love, it's so incredibly specific and has such unrealistic, unremarkable use cases.

The worst part is they're all so boring. Where's the cool stuff like a LoL-ized force staff? It would be so easy to make that play pattern fit into lol's design philosophy, instead we get zzzz three minute cooldown cleanses. The wildest effect this season was ohmwrecker and it's unbearably shitty. Who is pushing these ad items to triple their intended cost efficiency but maintains such a careful fucking eye on ohmwrecker?

Sightstone does good work but it's only a bandage that makes solo queue bearable. The whole vast ward issue has not been properly addressed.

4) wriggles, is there still anyone pretending this item is buyable? it's an obsolete design, only partially because of the awkwardness of the fact it presumes you need a vamp scepter to jungle but costs a million gold before it helps you out with that. I still like my idea of giving madreds an on hit life proc vs monsters and then having it upgrade into ghostblade. I guess the whole jungle item thing worked out okay, not as well as I thought it would, but even so can we please take the mana off the spirit stone path and have camps give it to you for killing them? it feels just awful building a spirit stone on a manaless hero even though 9/10 times it's right.


Gauntlet is fine, makes you have to hard engage over just brute forcing your way to victory, and it weakens bruisers who can leave top lane scary enough to 1v5 unless you can kite.

Blade is just a better solution than BT, so why not build it every game on adc? Yes it also works on other champs (see assassins) and is just an all around good item, but definitely not broken (as you state).

Support items should be terrible, and you should feel terrible for building them. 9 times out of 10 you should use the 475g in an oracles and a ward instead of a ruby crystal, and unless you're backing with 2k gold you should fill up on consumables first, items later. A 40 minute game with you having ruby sightstone, kindlegem, upgraded boots (with homeguard), and have had oracles on you since minute 20 is exactly what you want from a support. Vision > any single item for a support.

You complain about wriggles but what about Atma's? What about Ohmwrecker? (not even good on Kassadin) What about Executioner's Calling? Just needed one item to hate on so wriggles fit?


lol, life must be so confusing for you.



Only when I try to look at it through your eyes.

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GoSuChicken
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany1726 Posts
September 08 2013 17:07 GMT
#1206
Bischu is playing a high elo game together with imp, Flame and some other pros from CJ and SKT that I cant identify :D

twitch.tv/bischulol
beefhamburger
Profile Joined December 2007
United States3962 Posts
September 08 2013 17:07 GMT
#1207
On September 09 2013 02:01 NeoIllusions wrote:
Loco going with the Ring x2, RoA build on Singed. Such an NA build, hue.

Isn't that the build Impact did vs. KT a few a days ago?
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-08 17:09:20
September 08 2013 17:07 GMT
#1208
well Flame is like 5-0 lol

edit: money in the bank, imp'in ain't easy
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-08 17:09:46
September 08 2013 17:08 GMT
#1209
Dayum that bait, loco dives, hoon goes in, loco lanterns out and imp finishes hoon.
Bischu in awe of playing against all these top Korean pros.
Glorious SEA doto
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-08 17:10:06
September 08 2013 17:09 GMT
#1210
flame beasting everybody else on his team is just getting carried

sounds similar
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GoSuChicken
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany1726 Posts
September 08 2013 17:09 GMT
#1211
ah yeah Ambition, Hoon, Loco seem to be in there too
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
September 08 2013 17:10 GMT
#1212
Flame going 1v9
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-08 17:10:36
September 08 2013 17:10 GMT
#1213
On September 09 2013 02:09 Chexx wrote:
flame beasting everybody else on his team is just getting carried

Good practice for playing on CJ blaze.
On September 09 2013 02:09 GoSuChicken wrote:
ah yeah Ambition, Hoon, Loco seem to be in there too

Flahm (Samsung blue's support) is there as well
Glorious SEA doto
Neverhood
Profile Joined August 2009
United States5388 Posts
September 08 2013 17:10 GMT
#1214
Such a shame Flame won't be at worlds
Jaedong :D
GoSuChicken
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany1726 Posts
September 08 2013 17:10 GMT
#1215
hahaha bischu is so impressed, its hilarious
DragoonTT
Profile Joined April 2012
3398 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-08 17:14:23
September 08 2013 17:11 GMT
#1216
On September 09 2013 02:07 GoSuChicken wrote:
Bischu is playing a high elo game together with imp, Flame and some other pros from CJ and SKT that I cant identify :D

twitch.tv/bischulol

Blue team:

Top: Locodoco, currently teamless, former MiG Frost, Startale etc
Jungle: SKT T1 Beelzehan (sub), former member Xenics Storm and Reapered's team ESG
Mid: CJ Blaze Ambition
AD: Samsung (MVP) Ozone Imp
Support: Samsung (MVP) Blue FLahm

Purple:
Top: CJ Blaze Flame (living up to his name)
Jungle: Xenics Storm Swift (new player or smurf)
Mid: Bischu
AD: Jin Air Stealth Hoon
Support: Xenics Storm CoCo

So yeah, the match is stacked. 7/10 played OGN Summer, Beelzehan also has OGN experience, Swift (if he's new) is a pro-teamer, and Bischu is getting close.
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-08 17:12:10
September 08 2013 17:11 GMT
#1217
SUDDENLY BARON

Bischu freaking the fuck out lol
Bronze player stuck in platinum
[SuNdae]
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Finland323 Posts
September 08 2013 17:11 GMT
#1218
On September 09 2013 02:10 GoSuChicken wrote:
hahaha bischu is so impressed, its hilarious


Sounds like he's coming in his pants pretty much :D
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
September 08 2013 17:12 GMT
#1219
So I get the impression that playing in top Korean solo queue is pretty cool.
Glorious SEA doto
GoSuChicken
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany1726 Posts
September 08 2013 17:17 GMT
#1220
But seriously, I think thats why Nida is not viable in high level play. I mean look at Bischu, hes really not that effective during the whole game, even tho he is not doing any big mistakes.
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