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On October 01 2013 05:54 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2013 05:52 AsmodeusXI wrote:
I mean, I think we're still at a point where LoL is new enough that managers don't know what managing MEANS yet. This may mean no one will ever learn or it might mean that we just need to wait for people to figure it out.
And I mean in NA. Asia seems to have it down at least.
This also might apply to all eSports. I don't really think that's a viable excuse tbh. If you're the manager, your job is to manage everything. Everything. Negligence isn't an excuse to avoid responsibility if you made a mistake on the job. It's still a mistake, and can certainly be learned from, but I don't think it's a good enough excuse to just say "oops we didn't know better"...especially after seeing some past examples. Maybe I'm just expecting too much though.
No, you're right.
Starting and managing a team is like starting and owning a business. No one is going to baby you, but there's plenty of materials out there on how to do it and you can ask people for help. Riot shouldn't sit down managers and give them a lesson in business and management - you should be aware of the risks going into something like this. And if you aren't, well, it's nobody's fault but your own.
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On October 01 2013 05:57 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2013 05:54 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 01 2013 05:52 AsmodeusXI wrote:
I mean, I think we're still at a point where LoL is new enough that managers don't know what managing MEANS yet. This may mean no one will ever learn or it might mean that we just need to wait for people to figure it out.
And I mean in NA. Asia seems to have it down at least.
This also might apply to all eSports. I don't really think that's a viable excuse tbh. If you're the manager, your job is to manage everything. Everything. Negligence isn't an excuse to avoid responsibility if you made a mistake on the job. It's still a mistake, and can certainly be learned from, but I don't think it's a good enough excuse to just say "oops we didn't know better"...especially after seeing some past examples. Maybe I'm just expecting too much though. No, you're right. Starting and managing a team is like starting and owning a business. No one is going to baby you, but there's plenty of materials out there on how to do it and you can ask people for help. Riot shouldn't sit down managers and give them a lesson in business and management - you should be aware of the risks going into something like this. And if you aren't, well, it's nobody's fault but your own.
Except managers aren't typically the ones starting teams. the players are. teams will hire a 'manager' after qualifying or while trying to qualify so they can focus. These people don't answer to organizations, and are being directly paid by riot to do their job. riot should tell them what that job is.
What you are suggesting is the players who are trying to qualify for LCS and become full time progamer, should also be researching management, and be deciding all of this while qualifying? that's dumb. and has proven to be dumb.
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When I had an internship in the bay area, the company I interned with had "corporate housing" as a housing option (basically short-term apt leases, and the apartments are fully furnished and come with working internet etc.). It's pretty expensive though, $4000/mo* for a 2 bedroom thing, and I'm pretty sure the company had a special deal with the corporate housing people already due to putting up so many interns in there.
* At least, all I know is that the company took $1000/mo from my paychecks and I had 3 other roommates, I don't really know how much they were actually paying
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On October 01 2013 05:59 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2013 05:57 Requizen wrote:On October 01 2013 05:54 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 01 2013 05:52 AsmodeusXI wrote:
I mean, I think we're still at a point where LoL is new enough that managers don't know what managing MEANS yet. This may mean no one will ever learn or it might mean that we just need to wait for people to figure it out.
And I mean in NA. Asia seems to have it down at least.
This also might apply to all eSports. I don't really think that's a viable excuse tbh. If you're the manager, your job is to manage everything. Everything. Negligence isn't an excuse to avoid responsibility if you made a mistake on the job. It's still a mistake, and can certainly be learned from, but I don't think it's a good enough excuse to just say "oops we didn't know better"...especially after seeing some past examples. Maybe I'm just expecting too much though. No, you're right. Starting and managing a team is like starting and owning a business. No one is going to baby you, but there's plenty of materials out there on how to do it and you can ask people for help. Riot shouldn't sit down managers and give them a lesson in business and management - you should be aware of the risks going into something like this. And if you aren't, well, it's nobody's fault but your own. Except managers aren't typically the ones starting teams. the players are. teams will hire a 'manager' after qualifying or while trying to qualify so they can focus. These people don't answer to organizations, and are being directly paid by riot to do their job. riot should tell them what that job is.
If managers are being hired by the team, then it's the team's responsibility to hire a competent manager. It's the fault of the team in that case if they haven't found someone with a brain.
The fact that Riot pays the team salary muddies the waters of the logistics a bit, but that doesn't make it any less the team's responsibility.
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On October 01 2013 05:59 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2013 05:57 Requizen wrote:On October 01 2013 05:54 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 01 2013 05:52 AsmodeusXI wrote:
I mean, I think we're still at a point where LoL is new enough that managers don't know what managing MEANS yet. This may mean no one will ever learn or it might mean that we just need to wait for people to figure it out.
And I mean in NA. Asia seems to have it down at least.
This also might apply to all eSports. I don't really think that's a viable excuse tbh. If you're the manager, your job is to manage everything. Everything. Negligence isn't an excuse to avoid responsibility if you made a mistake on the job. It's still a mistake, and can certainly be learned from, but I don't think it's a good enough excuse to just say "oops we didn't know better"...especially after seeing some past examples. Maybe I'm just expecting too much though. No, you're right. Starting and managing a team is like starting and owning a business. No one is going to baby you, but there's plenty of materials out there on how to do it and you can ask people for help. Riot shouldn't sit down managers and give them a lesson in business and management - you should be aware of the risks going into something like this. And if you aren't, well, it's nobody's fault but your own. Except managers aren't typically the ones starting teams. the players are. teams will hire a 'manager' after qualifying or while trying to qualify so they can focus. These people don't answer to organizations, and are being directly paid by riot to do their job. riot should tell them what that job is.
What? No, Riot is paying the players to play in LCS. They're giving them money to do nothing else but train and survive. Everything else is ancillary at best.
If someone gets hired to be a manager, what do they think the job entails? Just posting shit on Reddit to get fame? Clearly anyone who accepts the responsibility also knows the gist of what they're doing, or at least they should.
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On October 01 2013 06:02 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2013 05:59 PrinceXizor wrote:On October 01 2013 05:57 Requizen wrote:On October 01 2013 05:54 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 01 2013 05:52 AsmodeusXI wrote:
I mean, I think we're still at a point where LoL is new enough that managers don't know what managing MEANS yet. This may mean no one will ever learn or it might mean that we just need to wait for people to figure it out.
And I mean in NA. Asia seems to have it down at least.
This also might apply to all eSports. I don't really think that's a viable excuse tbh. If you're the manager, your job is to manage everything. Everything. Negligence isn't an excuse to avoid responsibility if you made a mistake on the job. It's still a mistake, and can certainly be learned from, but I don't think it's a good enough excuse to just say "oops we didn't know better"...especially after seeing some past examples. Maybe I'm just expecting too much though. No, you're right. Starting and managing a team is like starting and owning a business. No one is going to baby you, but there's plenty of materials out there on how to do it and you can ask people for help. Riot shouldn't sit down managers and give them a lesson in business and management - you should be aware of the risks going into something like this. And if you aren't, well, it's nobody's fault but your own. Except managers aren't typically the ones starting teams. the players are. teams will hire a 'manager' after qualifying or while trying to qualify so they can focus. These people don't answer to organizations, and are being directly paid by riot to do their job. riot should tell them what that job is. If managers are being hired by the team, then it's the team's responsibility to hire a competent manager. It's the fault of the team in that case if they haven't found someone with a brain. The fact that Riot pays the team salary muddies the waters of the logistics a bit, but that doesn't make it any less the team's responsibility.
If the team is made of like 17-18 year olds, with no life skills. How da fuq do you expect them to choose the right person to manage the team?
On October 01 2013 06:02 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2013 05:59 PrinceXizor wrote:On October 01 2013 05:57 Requizen wrote:On October 01 2013 05:54 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 01 2013 05:52 AsmodeusXI wrote:
I mean, I think we're still at a point where LoL is new enough that managers don't know what managing MEANS yet. This may mean no one will ever learn or it might mean that we just need to wait for people to figure it out.
And I mean in NA. Asia seems to have it down at least.
This also might apply to all eSports. I don't really think that's a viable excuse tbh. If you're the manager, your job is to manage everything. Everything. Negligence isn't an excuse to avoid responsibility if you made a mistake on the job. It's still a mistake, and can certainly be learned from, but I don't think it's a good enough excuse to just say "oops we didn't know better"...especially after seeing some past examples. Maybe I'm just expecting too much though. No, you're right. Starting and managing a team is like starting and owning a business. No one is going to baby you, but there's plenty of materials out there on how to do it and you can ask people for help. Riot shouldn't sit down managers and give them a lesson in business and management - you should be aware of the risks going into something like this. And if you aren't, well, it's nobody's fault but your own. Except managers aren't typically the ones starting teams. the players are. teams will hire a 'manager' after qualifying or while trying to qualify so they can focus. These people don't answer to organizations, and are being directly paid by riot to do their job. riot should tell them what that job is. What? No, Riot is paying the players to play in LCS. They're giving them money to do nothing else but train and survive. Everything else is ancillary at best. If someone gets hired to be a manager, what do they think the job entails? Just posting shit on Reddit to get fame? Clearly anyone who accepts the responsibility also knows the gist of what they're doing, or at least they should.
This would make sense if the players were once HR people, who knew what to look for in a manager.
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On October 01 2013 06:06 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2013 06:02 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 01 2013 05:59 PrinceXizor wrote:On October 01 2013 05:57 Requizen wrote:On October 01 2013 05:54 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 01 2013 05:52 AsmodeusXI wrote:
I mean, I think we're still at a point where LoL is new enough that managers don't know what managing MEANS yet. This may mean no one will ever learn or it might mean that we just need to wait for people to figure it out.
And I mean in NA. Asia seems to have it down at least.
This also might apply to all eSports. I don't really think that's a viable excuse tbh. If you're the manager, your job is to manage everything. Everything. Negligence isn't an excuse to avoid responsibility if you made a mistake on the job. It's still a mistake, and can certainly be learned from, but I don't think it's a good enough excuse to just say "oops we didn't know better"...especially after seeing some past examples. Maybe I'm just expecting too much though. No, you're right. Starting and managing a team is like starting and owning a business. No one is going to baby you, but there's plenty of materials out there on how to do it and you can ask people for help. Riot shouldn't sit down managers and give them a lesson in business and management - you should be aware of the risks going into something like this. And if you aren't, well, it's nobody's fault but your own. Except managers aren't typically the ones starting teams. the players are. teams will hire a 'manager' after qualifying or while trying to qualify so they can focus. These people don't answer to organizations, and are being directly paid by riot to do their job. riot should tell them what that job is. If managers are being hired by the team, then it's the team's responsibility to hire a competent manager. It's the fault of the team in that case if they haven't found someone with a brain. The fact that Riot pays the team salary muddies the waters of the logistics a bit, but that doesn't make it any less the team's responsibility. If the team is made of like 17-18 year olds, with no life skills. How da fuq do you expect them to choose the right person to manage the team?
People move out of their parents houses and start working at 17. People can start playing minor league sports at 17-18.
Progamers are just people just like everyone else, if they're taking this step in their life to do this professionally, they need to work at it. If they fail, well, that's life. They shouldn't be babysat because they can't cook a meal, they're old enough to know how to work a stove and have access to the internet for fuck's sake.
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On October 01 2013 06:09 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2013 06:06 wei2coolman wrote:On October 01 2013 06:02 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 01 2013 05:59 PrinceXizor wrote:On October 01 2013 05:57 Requizen wrote:On October 01 2013 05:54 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 01 2013 05:52 AsmodeusXI wrote:
I mean, I think we're still at a point where LoL is new enough that managers don't know what managing MEANS yet. This may mean no one will ever learn or it might mean that we just need to wait for people to figure it out.
And I mean in NA. Asia seems to have it down at least.
This also might apply to all eSports. I don't really think that's a viable excuse tbh. If you're the manager, your job is to manage everything. Everything. Negligence isn't an excuse to avoid responsibility if you made a mistake on the job. It's still a mistake, and can certainly be learned from, but I don't think it's a good enough excuse to just say "oops we didn't know better"...especially after seeing some past examples. Maybe I'm just expecting too much though. No, you're right. Starting and managing a team is like starting and owning a business. No one is going to baby you, but there's plenty of materials out there on how to do it and you can ask people for help. Riot shouldn't sit down managers and give them a lesson in business and management - you should be aware of the risks going into something like this. And if you aren't, well, it's nobody's fault but your own. Except managers aren't typically the ones starting teams. the players are. teams will hire a 'manager' after qualifying or while trying to qualify so they can focus. These people don't answer to organizations, and are being directly paid by riot to do their job. riot should tell them what that job is. If managers are being hired by the team, then it's the team's responsibility to hire a competent manager. It's the fault of the team in that case if they haven't found someone with a brain. The fact that Riot pays the team salary muddies the waters of the logistics a bit, but that doesn't make it any less the team's responsibility. If the team is made of like 17-18 year olds, with no life skills. How da fuq do you expect them to choose the right person to manage the team? People move out of their parents houses and start working at 17. People can start playing minor league sports at 17-18. Progamers are just people just like everyone else, if they're taking this step in their life to do this professionally, they need to work at it. If they fail, well, that's life. They shouldn't be babysat because they can't cook a meal, they're old enough to know how to work a stove and have access to the internet for fuck's sake.
you realize each of those people have someone to help them along the way except progamers right? minor leaguers have agents and managers assigned by their employers or unions, people who move out at 17 can call home for advice, progamers have 0 experience in management, how can they be expected to look for a knowledgeable experienced manager who is willing to work for next to nothing while also practicing enough to actually maintain their status in LCS. Not educating the managers at least a little, creates a system in which only established teams can flourish, resulting in the death or shrinking of the scene, and if the scene shrinks, who knows if riot will keep spending the kinds of money they do.
progamers are far more akin to an orphan being kicked out of the orphanage at 18 than somsone leaving home at 17 to go work.
Most people who are employed and having issues knowing what to do to be the most effective in their job can ask their boss or supervisor. Progamers trying to find a manager have no tools.
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On October 01 2013 06:12 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2013 06:09 Requizen wrote:On October 01 2013 06:06 wei2coolman wrote:On October 01 2013 06:02 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 01 2013 05:59 PrinceXizor wrote:On October 01 2013 05:57 Requizen wrote:On October 01 2013 05:54 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 01 2013 05:52 AsmodeusXI wrote:
I mean, I think we're still at a point where LoL is new enough that managers don't know what managing MEANS yet. This may mean no one will ever learn or it might mean that we just need to wait for people to figure it out.
And I mean in NA. Asia seems to have it down at least.
This also might apply to all eSports. I don't really think that's a viable excuse tbh. If you're the manager, your job is to manage everything. Everything. Negligence isn't an excuse to avoid responsibility if you made a mistake on the job. It's still a mistake, and can certainly be learned from, but I don't think it's a good enough excuse to just say "oops we didn't know better"...especially after seeing some past examples. Maybe I'm just expecting too much though. No, you're right. Starting and managing a team is like starting and owning a business. No one is going to baby you, but there's plenty of materials out there on how to do it and you can ask people for help. Riot shouldn't sit down managers and give them a lesson in business and management - you should be aware of the risks going into something like this. And if you aren't, well, it's nobody's fault but your own. Except managers aren't typically the ones starting teams. the players are. teams will hire a 'manager' after qualifying or while trying to qualify so they can focus. These people don't answer to organizations, and are being directly paid by riot to do their job. riot should tell them what that job is. If managers are being hired by the team, then it's the team's responsibility to hire a competent manager. It's the fault of the team in that case if they haven't found someone with a brain. The fact that Riot pays the team salary muddies the waters of the logistics a bit, but that doesn't make it any less the team's responsibility. If the team is made of like 17-18 year olds, with no life skills. How da fuq do you expect them to choose the right person to manage the team? People move out of their parents houses and start working at 17. People can start playing minor league sports at 17-18. Progamers are just people just like everyone else, if they're taking this step in their life to do this professionally, they need to work at it. If they fail, well, that's life. They shouldn't be babysat because they can't cook a meal, they're old enough to know how to work a stove and have access to the internet for fuck's sake. you realize each of those people have someone to help them along the way except progamers right? minor leaguers have agents and managers assigned by their employers or unions, people who move out at 17 can call home for advice, progamers have 0 experience in management, how can they be expected to look for a knowledgeable experienced manager who is willing to work for next to nothing while also practicing enough to actually maintain their status in LCS. Not educating the managers at least a little, creates a system in which only established teams can flourish, resulting in the death or shrinking of the scene, and if the scene shrinks, who knows if riot will keep spending the kinds of money they do.
This is why I made the comparison to starting a business. If I want to go start, say, a LAN center, I would have to do research, get grants and loans, manage schedules, get materials, put in labor, etc. I don't just buy a plot of land, throw up a couple laptops and wonder why no one is telling me how to do my job.
If you want to start a team, you need to know what goes into it. People are starting to realize that it's not just getting 5 dudes together to play League in a house. If it falls apart around you, then you fucked up because you weren't responsible enough to do it in the first place.
Why should Riot pay teams to get their shit together when they can just have teams that already do that by themselves? C9 is a shining example of a group of people with their heads on straight. There's nothing at all preventing other teams from following their example. If a team drops out because 5+ fully grown adults can't handle the responsibility of buying and owning one house and feeding themselves, then that opens up a spot for a new team that is willing to be responsible and good at the game.
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It's an infrastructure issue, and it's been discussed plenty already. I'm not too familiar with the early BW days but I'd guess there were plenty of growing pains there as well. LoL in Korea is piggybacking on the already established sponsors and infrastructure left over from BW, whereas NA doesn't have anything close to that.
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Also according to the marn story, managers are responsible of the financial aspect of the team, incluiding salarys. So you need some1 that you trust enought to have him handle your money. So the 2 traits you're looking for is competent and trustworthy. Unless it's someone's dad or something, it's very hard to know such people especially when you're a 17 years old that is very good a video games.
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On October 01 2013 06:22 SagaZ wrote:
Also according to the marn story, managers are responsible of the financial aspect of the team, incluiding salarys. So you need some1 that you trust enought to have him handle your money. So the 2 traits you're looking for is competent and trustworthy. Unless it's someone's dad or something, it's very hard to know such people especially when you're a 17 years old that is very good a video games.
I Googled "What are the qualifications of a good manager" and "Management Certifications". There's tons of information out there on things to look for and backgrounds. Hell, all it would take is a post on Reddit going:
"Hi, we're team X, we're looking for a team manager. We would like PMP or PMI certification, though we will accept related experience in team or business management. Please send your resume to...".
Bam. Likely you get a lot of trash, but there's probably now dozens of resumes in your inbox that you can peruse and talk to.
We live in the information age. I give no leeway to anyone who knows how to use the internet and then complains that they don't know how to do something and can't learn. If you have a GED (and let's be honest, you don't want a high school drop out on or running your team), you have no excuse not to put at least a little bit of thought into a career path like progaming.
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On October 01 2013 06:22 SagaZ wrote:
Also according to the marn story, managers are responsible of the financial aspect of the team, incluiding salarys. So you need some1 that you trust enought to have him handle your money. So the 2 traits you're looking for is competent and trustworthy. Unless it's someone's dad or something, it's very hard to know such people especially when you're a 17 years old that is very good a video games.
shouldnt have to be trust at all. maybe im just insane but if was expecting my friends to hand over thousands of dollars, i would be more than willing to apply itemized expenditure and receipts on a bare minimum monthly basis. that whole derpstory was just....pathetic.
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On October 01 2013 06:31 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2013 06:22 SagaZ wrote:
Also according to the marn story, managers are responsible of the financial aspect of the team, incluiding salarys. So you need some1 that you trust enought to have him handle your money. So the 2 traits you're looking for is competent and trustworthy. Unless it's someone's dad or something, it's very hard to know such people especially when you're a 17 years old that is very good a video games. I Googled "What are the qualifications of a good manager" and "Management Certifications". There's tons of information out there on things to look for and backgrounds. Hell, all it would take is a post on Reddit going: "Hi, we're team X, we're looking for a team manager. We would like PMP or PMI certification, though we will accept related experience in team or business management. Please send your resume to...". Bam. Likely you get a lot of trash, but there's probably now dozens of resumes in your inbox that you can peruse and talk to. We live in the information age. I give no leeway to anyone who knows how to use the internet and then complains that they don't know how to do something and can't learn. If you have a GED (and let's be honest, you don't want a high school drop out on or running your team), you have no excuse not to put at least a little bit of thought into a career path like progaming.
'must be willing to live with the team and move to socal, also potentially only for 3 months and for very little money, also needs good credit to sign lease.
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On October 01 2013 06:33 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2013 06:31 Requizen wrote:On October 01 2013 06:22 SagaZ wrote:
Also according to the marn story, managers are responsible of the financial aspect of the team, incluiding salarys. So you need some1 that you trust enought to have him handle your money. So the 2 traits you're looking for is competent and trustworthy. Unless it's someone's dad or something, it's very hard to know such people especially when you're a 17 years old that is very good a video games. I Googled "What are the qualifications of a good manager" and "Management Certifications". There's tons of information out there on things to look for and backgrounds. Hell, all it would take is a post on Reddit going: "Hi, we're team X, we're looking for a team manager. We would like PMP or PMI certification, though we will accept related experience in team or business management. Please send your resume to...". Bam. Likely you get a lot of trash, but there's probably now dozens of resumes in your inbox that you can peruse and talk to. We live in the information age. I give no leeway to anyone who knows how to use the internet and then complains that they don't know how to do something and can't learn. If you have a GED (and let's be honest, you don't want a high school drop out on or running your team), you have no excuse not to put at least a little bit of thought into a career path like progaming. 'must be willing to live with the team and move to socal, also potentially only for 3 months and for very little money, also needs good credit to sign lease.
And you'd still get shit tons of applications. Worse comes to worst, you hire someone with low amounts of qualifications and draft a binding contract so they can't screw you over, steal from you, or just not work.
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i honestly feel like all of the managers in the NALCS right now are really solid
all of them are super smart, hard-working people. bad managers will come and go but as the scene becomes more established, the quality of management (as well as quality of play) will steadily rise as people get more experienced.
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I mean, according to vileroze's post, these guys lack in the every day life knowledge department. So I don't expect them to be able/have the time or the will to check out the team's countability periodically. And it is why being able to trust your manager is extremely important. These guys must be the most easily scam able demographic, and even if the newly hired manager comes in with the best intentions, given 2 or 3 months he will see opportunity.
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On October 01 2013 06:40 gtrsrs wrote:
i honestly feel like all of the managers in the NALCS right now are really solid
all of them are super smart, hard-working people. bad managers will come and go but as the scene becomes more established, the quality of management (as well as quality of play) will steadily rise as people get more experienced.
What is the relationship like between managers? If you had a question about training/schedules/living arrangements, would you feel comfortable calling up a manager on another team and chatting about policies?
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On October 01 2013 06:06 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2013 06:02 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 01 2013 05:59 PrinceXizor wrote:On October 01 2013 05:57 Requizen wrote:On October 01 2013 05:54 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 01 2013 05:52 AsmodeusXI wrote:
I mean, I think we're still at a point where LoL is new enough that managers don't know what managing MEANS yet. This may mean no one will ever learn or it might mean that we just need to wait for people to figure it out.
And I mean in NA. Asia seems to have it down at least.
This also might apply to all eSports. I don't really think that's a viable excuse tbh. If you're the manager, your job is to manage everything. Everything. Negligence isn't an excuse to avoid responsibility if you made a mistake on the job. It's still a mistake, and can certainly be learned from, but I don't think it's a good enough excuse to just say "oops we didn't know better"...especially after seeing some past examples. Maybe I'm just expecting too much though. No, you're right. Starting and managing a team is like starting and owning a business. No one is going to baby you, but there's plenty of materials out there on how to do it and you can ask people for help. Riot shouldn't sit down managers and give them a lesson in business and management - you should be aware of the risks going into something like this. And if you aren't, well, it's nobody's fault but your own. Except managers aren't typically the ones starting teams. the players are. teams will hire a 'manager' after qualifying or while trying to qualify so they can focus. These people don't answer to organizations, and are being directly paid by riot to do their job. riot should tell them what that job is. If managers are being hired by the team, then it's the team's responsibility to hire a competent manager. It's the fault of the team in that case if they haven't found someone with a brain. The fact that Riot pays the team salary muddies the waters of the logistics a bit, but that doesn't make it any less the team's responsibility. If the team is made of like 17-18 year olds, with no life skills. How da fuq do you expect them to choose the right person to manage the team?
And yet, 18 years is old enough to vote, marry, choose your career/education path, and more.
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