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AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On October 01 2013 05:10 AleKSei23 wrote: Anyone knows what happened to SmashGizmo? used to follow religously his stream, but havent seen much of him lately. Mogwai got dat Riot jorb den abandoned us. He's currently embarking on the impossible quest to balance Olaf. Edit: superpowers, I'm tellin' ya. | ||
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Fildun
Netherlands4122 Posts
On October 01 2013 05:06 Cixah wrote: That feel when you know you're going to get banned because after asking your Spanish Speaking (4 other) teammates to speak english in ranked, and they won't. So You respond with nothing but OLE OLE OLE for the rest of the game. Worth it? /all WORTH | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On October 01 2013 04:51 TheYango wrote: The comparison to NA DotA is really moot because compared to LoL there's far less money in streaming DotA because the audience is so much smaller. The amount of viewers that NA DotA streamers get is a pittance compared to what NA LoL streamers get, meaning that when building teams, this is far less in peoples' minds. As far as I'm concerned, there are still quite a few NA "pros" that have no business calling themselves professional players but are able to sustain themselves off streaming. Professional just means they get paid to do what they do. I'd consider PhantomLord a professional LoL player, cuz he makes money playing yolo-queue and streaming it. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On October 01 2013 05:12 wei2coolman wrote: Professional just means they get paid to do what they do. I'd consider PhantomLord a professional LoL player, cuz he makes money playing yolo-queue and streaming it. I would consider him a professional streamer who happens to play LoL... | ||
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Complete
United States1864 Posts
On October 01 2013 05:11 AsmodeusXI wrote: Mogwai got dat Riot jorb den abandoned us. He's currently embarking on the impossible quest to balance Olaf. Edit: superpowers, I'm tellin' ya. My guess is he stopped having fun streaming...He was having a bit of a rough time with "raging" on the last few times he streamed and then he disappeared. Total guess though  . | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On October 01 2013 04:30 NeoIllusions wrote: Sir, you are EU. Why do you know ninjaken and Quas? :O Fusilero, I am impressed. I was busy on Friday, probably missed it. The NA Pro circlejerk on Quas is pretty hard to avoid. (Can't speak to whether he lives up to the hype, but whenever he played in the Mobafire tournament pros would talk about him on Twitter constantly. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
I think Riot needs to figure an issue with housing situation, it's sort of hard on new teams made of people who have no life experience to find a house, and organize all the things they need to get ready to practice. Some form of Riot dorms, like someone mentioned would actually be a really nice idea. Maybe make it an optional choice? Too often we've heard from teams who barely get any practice before the start of LCS because of really shitty internet. Also furnishing is pretty annoying to have to buy, especially if the team is high risk of getting relegated. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
Does it suck that teams have issues in the tournament because they can't deal with real life shit? Sure, I want top quality games. But they're (mostly) adults that have an income and a steady "job". | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On October 01 2013 05:41 Requizen wrote: Eeh, it's not really Riot's responsibility if people don't have life skills, to be honest. I mean sure, some kind of housing might be nice (and I'm sure Riot could afford it), but it's like, in any other job (even being a "normal athlete"), no one is going to baby you because it's your first job and you can't manage your money. Does it suck that teams have issues in the tournament because they can't deal with real life shit? Sure, I want top quality games. But they're (mostly) adults that have an income and a steady "job". Not everyone going into LCS is as competent as someone like St. V who has had a lot more life experience. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On October 01 2013 05:44 wei2coolman wrote: Not everyone going into LCS is as competent as someone like St. V who has had a lot more life experience. Some would say StV has too much life experience... But yeah, I wouldn't put it on Riot's shoulders to ensure that the players have basic survival instincts and the common sense on how to live on their own. I mean, I've been living on my own now for 4 months and I've only been hospitalized due to nutrition deficiency 5 times, and my bed is finally coming in the mail on friday! Do you think UPS will install it for me? | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On October 01 2013 05:44 wei2coolman wrote: Not everyone going into LCS is as competent as someone like St. V who has had a lot more life experience. So? Your employer isn't going to care that you're late to work because you forgot to pay your rent and you're on the street. Football players don't get a "bye" for a game because they forgot to eat right and now have a tummyache, they get benched. It's not Riot's responsibility to baby anyone. If the burden of an immature player falls on anyone, it's the managers/organizations. If they're incompetent, then that's their fault. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On October 01 2013 05:46 jcarlsoniv wrote: Some would say StV has too much life experience... But yeah, I wouldn't put it on Riot's shoulders to ensure that the players have basic survival instincts and the common sense on how to live on their own. I mean, I've been living on my own now for 4 months and I've only been hospitalized due to nutrition deficiency 5 times, and my bed is finally coming in the mail on friday! Do you think UPS will install it for me? Teaching them how to live on their own, not riots job. educating new managers (that riot is employing through the payment system) on what their responsibilities should be. Yes. Giving money up front upon qualification for the purpose of housing so the team doesn't have to out of pocket a couple thousand? yeah. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On October 01 2013 05:48 PrinceXizor wrote: Teaching them how to live on their own, not riots job. educating new managers (that riot is employing through the payment system) on what their responsibilities should be. Yes. Giving money up front upon qualification for the purpose of housing so the team doesn't have to out of pocket a couple thousand? yeah. People take out bank loans to buy houses all the time. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On October 01 2013 05:49 Requizen wrote: People take out bank loans to buy houses all the time. right. But even career based employers that mandate you move give you moving stipends and cost of living adjustments Besides riots already paying for the housing. they are just saying upfront or get a loan then the first game played you get your money back. | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On October 01 2013 05:48 PrinceXizor wrote: Teaching them how to live on their own, not riots job. educating new managers (that riot is employing through the payment system) on what their responsibilities should be. Yes. Giving money up front upon qualification for the purpose of housing so the team doesn't have to out of pocket a couple thousand? yeah. I don't necessarily disagree with Riot assisting them with housing, as that can be very difficult and expensive, especially for a team that might not continue on very long. Could help lower the barrier to entry. I'm not sure I would even put the education of the managers onto Riot's shoulders. They are team managers, it's their job to know what to do for the team. I would put that more on the team organization to make sure that the managers aren't letting the players die of malnutrition... | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On October 01 2013 05:46 Requizen wrote: So? Your employer isn't going to care that you're late to work because you forgot to pay your rent and you're on the street. Football players don't get a "bye" for a game because they forgot to eat right and now have a tummyache, they get benched. It's not Riot's responsibility to baby anyone. If the burden of an immature player falls on anyone, it's the managers/organizations. If they're incompetent, then that's their fault. technically it's not riot's responsibility to start LCS either, or do anything. Considering most apt and housing leases require a minimum of a 1 year lease, and when LCS is only like 3 months, its makes finding housing extremely difficult. This wouldn't be such a big deal if there are teams with big organizations that are backing them like, Curse/Dig/CLG/TSM/Quantic, where there are professionals in the background to help set it stuff up. On October 01 2013 05:50 jcarlsoniv wrote: I don't necessarily disagree with Riot assisting them with housing, as that can be very difficult and expensive, especially for a team that might not continue on very long. Could help lower the barrier to entry. I'm not sure I would even put the education of the managers onto Riot's shoulders. They are team managers, it's their job to know what to do for the team. I would put that more on the team organization to make sure that the managers aren't letting the players die of malnutrition... Problem is a lot of entry teams to NA LCS through relegation aren't backed by big organizations, or experienced organizations for that matter. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On October 01 2013 05:50 jcarlsoniv wrote: I don't necessarily disagree with Riot assisting them with housing, as that can be very difficult and expensive, especially for a team that might not continue on very long. Could help lower the barrier to entry. I'm not sure I would even put the education of the managers onto Riot's shoulders. They are team managers, it's their job to know what to do for the team. I would put that more on the team organization to make sure that the managers aren't letting the players die of malnutrition... I'm not suggesting this big thing. But a damn introduction seminar with a powerpoint is good enough. | ||
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AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
And I mean in NA. Asia seems to have it down at least. This also might apply to all eSports. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On October 01 2013 05:52 AsmodeusXI wrote: I mean, I think we're still at a point where LoL is new enough that managers don't know what managing MEANS yet. This may mean no one will ever learn or it might mean that we just need to wait for people to figure it out. And I mean in NA. Asia seems to have it down at least. This also might apply to all eSports. I don't really think that's a viable excuse tbh. If you're the manager, your job is to manage everything. Everything. Negligence isn't an excuse to avoid responsibility if you made a mistake on the job. It's still a mistake, and can certainly be learned from, but I don't think it's a good enough excuse to just say "oops we didn't know better"...especially after seeing some past examples. Maybe I'm just expecting too much though. | ||
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