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you'd think it'd be obvious to aspiring professional organizations, but i guess not. asian ESPORTS is more successful precisely because they have an organization that is responsible for all of the logistics of a professional team while all the players have to focus on is building a team and not having to worry about external factors. i know yango talks about it all the time, but it really is just attributable to a fundamental difference in how "progaming" is perceived in the east vs the west.
europe, which by all accounts has a more developed ESPORTS scene in large (not just LOL), tends to ahve less storeis of this nature happening, and it really is just the existence of professional organizations with experience.
NA can get here easily by following Asia + Europe's example, but they need to want to do it first.
more likely we just get more BAYLIFEEEEEE
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shouldve gotten that house on the beach and went out with style like MRN
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Ideally riot would provide 5k to qualifying teams on the spot to help them secure housing and get situated, as well as take the managers (or captains if no manager exists) into a kind of training course as they qualify to teach them what they need to get done. Whether or not that will happen, who knows.
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Neo should make a team of diamond/challenger level TL LoL posters and call it Organization Sublimate since it'll never actually get TL support.
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On October 01 2013 01:41 Requizen wrote:
Neo should make a team of diamond/challenger level TL LoL posters and call it Organization Sublimate since it'll never actually get TL support.
That's one of the nerdiest posts I've ever seen on GD.
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at this point it's clear that official riot lcs needs official riot dorms for all teams with official riot schedules and nutrition
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On October 01 2013 01:40 PrinceXizor wrote:
Ideally riot would provide 5k to qualifying teams on the spot to help them secure housing and get situated, as well as take the managers (or captains if no manager exists) into a kind of training course as they qualify to teach them what they need to get done. Whether or not that will happen, who knows.
The biggest issue with that is that housing is really hard to find if you only want it for a short time and want it big enough to fit 5/6pcs + 5/6 people. That's why I believed if Riot set it up beforehand as a permanent thing it would be a lot easier on new teams. The bigger teams generally don't have to worry about short leases or the such before they don't really have to worry about what if
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On October 01 2013 01:43 Zdrastochye wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2013 01:41 Requizen wrote:
Neo should make a team of diamond/challenger level TL LoL posters and call it Organization Sublimate since it'll never actually get TL support. That's one of the nerdiest posts I've ever seen on GD.
You feel the sadness and the tears coming from Requizen as he was writting this down.
Video games will never be viewed in the west like it is viewed in asia imo (well not in a long time). We value job security way too much, and having a degree will always be the number one priority above trying out the LCS qualification.
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Seems like a case of having inexperienced personnel manage other younger, less experienced players.
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On October 01 2013 01:47 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2013 01:40 PrinceXizor wrote:
Ideally riot would provide 5k to qualifying teams on the spot to help them secure housing and get situated, as well as take the managers (or captains if no manager exists) into a kind of training course as they qualify to teach them what they need to get done. Whether or not that will happen, who knows. The biggest issue with that is that housing is really hard to find if you only want it for a short time and want it big enough to fit 5/6pcs + 5/6 people. That's why I believed if Riot set it up beforehand as a permanent thing it would be a lot easier on new teams. The bigger teams generally don't have to worry about short leases or the such before they don't really have to worry about what if
Yeah, the format favors the current LCS players, so putting this massive burden on incoming teams only makes things worse than they need to be. Something needs to be done, whether its riot side, or culture side, we have yet to see i think.
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On October 01 2013 01:47 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2013 01:40 PrinceXizor wrote:
Ideally riot would provide 5k to qualifying teams on the spot to help them secure housing and get situated, as well as take the managers (or captains if no manager exists) into a kind of training course as they qualify to teach them what they need to get done. Whether or not that will happen, who knows. The biggest issue with that is that housing is really hard to find if you only want it for a short time and want it big enough to fit 5/6pcs + 5/6 people. That's why I believed if Riot set it up beforehand as a permanent thing it would be a lot easier on new teams. The bigger teams generally don't have to worry about short leases or the such before they don't really have to worry about what if
Obvious solution: someone with a little money on their hands buys/rents a house in a nice quiet spot near Riot studios, and rents/sublets it to the LCS teams as they come through.
Wow I just made a million theoretical dollars.You're welcome, anonymous future entrepreneur.
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As much as I love seeing in-studio games two days a week, I think it's kind of a nightmare for teams, especially those that aren't fully set up and don't live within driving distance of the studio.
I would be happy to have games every other week, or have half the teams play one week and half the next if it meant that we would have higher quality games from well-rested, well-practiced players. I think the current setup puts too much stress, though one could argue that it's a burden on any professional athlete as well.
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TBH I think for the bottom end LCS teams, it's pretty shitty for their morale to be playing only LCS. A team really does need to be winning things at least some of the time to be able to keep morale up, and when you're going 1-2 or 0-3 every week, with nothing else you can play in, it's actually unsurprising that you start to have internal team issues.
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On October 01 2013 02:00 TheYango wrote:
TBH I think for the bottom end LCS teams, it's pretty shitty for their morale to be playing only LCS. A team really does need to be winning things at least some of the time to be able to keep morale up, and when you're going 1-2 or 0-3 every week, with nothing else you can play in, it's actually unsurprising that you start to have internal team issues.
Yeah but the LCS has shoved out so many amateur events, and then beyond that the teams play too much to have side events they enter with regularity. the LCS if no changes are made at all, seems unsustainable past a few years into the future. Maybe cut the teams in the NA LCS down to 6 teams and have a 6 team Sub-LCS league? Less restrictions on the below LCS league, but still teams get paid, albeit they can't qualify for worlds. Though frankly that only provides stability for the top i guess.
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Just woke up, what's happening in here? Velocity chat?
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It's important to remember for this discussion that this season in NA was a little awkward, since Cloud 9 almost never lost a game.
In EU on the other hand all of the teams were winning games at least some of the time.
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On October 01 2013 02:24 Diamond wrote:
Just woke up, what's happening in here? Velocity chat?
Vilerose blog about the crappy time he had when starting in the LCS -> led to discussion about LCS and how it treats new comers and whether or not the current culture in LCS is good for the system.
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On October 01 2013 02:00 TheYango wrote:
TBH I think for the bottom end LCS teams, it's pretty shitty for their morale to be playing only LCS. A team really does need to be winning things at least some of the time to be able to keep morale up, and when you're going 1-2 or 0-3 every week, with nothing else you can play in, it's actually unsurprising that you start to have internal team issues.
Really this was not so much due to poor results as it did with VES being composed of shitty personalities. Saying that not performing well caused all this would be an excuse. Many of their players are known to have really terrible personalities that would only naturally cause conflicts within the team. Many LCS teams aren't at the level they want to be and are underperforming compared to their expectations but their atmosphere isn't anywhere near as bad. CLG stays positive despite having the most pressure to perform, and Coast does the same as well despite making finals the season before.
They either need a manager that can shape up their players or they need new core players. Maple, Cris, and Evaniskus in particular seem like they are the ones causing a terrible team atmosphere. None of those players are irreplaceable as I consider Nk Inc by far and away the best player on the team. If they have 3 immature players who don't know how to handle themselves or their teammates then they won't get anywhere.
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Riot really needs to just open up LCS teams to other tournaments :|
If Riot wants control, riot should just host other tournaments >_>
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On October 01 2013 02:30 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Riot really needs to just open up LCS teams to other tournaments :|
If Riot wants control, riot should just host other tournaments >_>
I don't think they want to commit more money. I really think a split LCS with the lower half able to compete in all tournaments and the upper half solely focusing on LCS would be decent. you get a lot of exposure to the incoming teams and the hype surrounds them as they try to break into the worlds qualifying LCS It would also mean that you could practice partner up within the LCS without worry, since a bottom 6 team can partner with a top 6 team and never have to worry about playing eachother except in the event of the match for placement at the end of a season.
who knows, the system right now is pretty wonky. But riot seems happy with "LCS @ dreamhack/IEM/MLG ect" instead of real events for those groups.
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